Ron (or shoud we call you by your new name?), what's the name of the guru "commissioned" by Poonjaji? -Peter
--- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HP: I will do my best to respond. If you want > insight into my Guru by reading, then all of > what Ramana has to say is the same my Guru would > say. My Guru's last guru that apointed > my Guru as Guru, was commissioned to be a guru by > Poonjaji. In addition, my Guru's Guru > had 3 tantric masters and his father was an > enlightened being > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" > <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > > > The use of words may be frustrating in this > case. Often My Guru > > will say "this one" > > > > Right, but Ramana Maharshi and others say "I'. > Saying "this one" all > > the time is ridiculous!.. > > HP: My guru does not say "this one" all the time, > and I am sure that all the gurus you > mentioned dont say "I" all the time either > > > > > replacing the word "I", the other Gurus in my > path do the same. My > > Guru said that > > > speaking this way is researved or those Realized > because the "me" > > is gone and there is > > > > Again, absurd. Tell your Guru to try speaking > Engles, Senor. > > HP: Considering that my Guru is enlightened and has > brought 2 others this past year so far > to enlightenment, referring to my Guru as absurd is > not only absurd but VERY IGNORANT, > in my opinion. > > > > > > > nothing to replace it with. On other occasions, > my Guru will say I > > and me, but in general in > > > my gurus books, she cautions the disciples not > to view the Guru as > > persona but as > > > consciousness > > > > Why would your Guru caution people to engage in > mood making? > > HP: When a Guru brings 2 to enlightenment in one > year, why they engage in certain > methodologies is not important, and certainly if a > student ( I realize you are not) needs to > ask why, they are in the wrong place > > thMMY > > doesn't caution people in that manner. > > HP: ok, then question this since it is apparent that > there are none conming to realization > there > > Your Guru is an oddball. > > HP: Some people may call you an asshole but I > certainly won't. I am a really calm guy. I > will cast my opinion though and say that deep down, > you know this is not the right thing > to do, telling a disciple that their guru is an > oddball. I could go into depth in responding to > this but no need really. > > > > > > Generally speaking, Gurus will say I and me, and > as I cast my > > opinion before, when they > > > use this speach, and if they are claiming > enlightenment, and at the > > same time referring to > > > the individual I, then this is dellusion. > > > > Again, Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj > have used the "I" > > word on many occations, MMY likewise, and Jerry > Jarvis. Are you > > saying these people are not Enlightened? > > HP: My Guru has also used the "I " word on many > occasions. saying the above are > enlightened or not is not based on this. > > > > > > Since there is no "Me", then when they use this, > they are > > referenceing something other- I > > > think this is understood by many or most here. > > > > Precisely, at last we agree on something!. But > nobody on this forum > > said there WAS a false "Me" or "I". > > HP: I think you may have meant to phrase this line a > bit better > > Besides, what's so special about > > that declaration, in view of the fact that Sages > have been saying > > this for thousands of years. > > HP: It is not that it is special, it is more that > even though it is in the scriptures and said by > sages for thousands of years, it still continues to > be in place- so again, the fallacy that a > me gains enlightenment is very much in the > forefront. My Guru's comments speaking > FROM BEING is " I just tell people the truth, I > never existed nor will I ever" . Your general > response is to call her an odd ball- so it seems > indirectly that you will stick with you > thought, understanding or whatever it is- and insist > that the me is there. Can you go to > your guru and get insights on this? > > HP: I have my guru, and this is the inspiration in > what i write. Progress is looking good > here for me and the other disciples. I dont mind > responding but if you had the name > calling like this such as odd ball, then my odd ball > Guru would show you the door very > quickly. What my path is about is transparency, > honesty, integrity and respect. > > > > > > > The bottom line is not changing as I see it- my > Guru's comments- > > "the fallacy is that a > > > "me" becomes enlightened > > > > Nobody every said a "me" becomes Enlightened. > Stop confusing the > > issues. As reported by various Enlightened > persons, Enlightenment as > > a Realization takes place within the realm of > apparent space-time; in > > which case the individuals REPORT that they > "became" Enlightned; > > realized the innate, "prior", pure Consciousness > of the Self. > > Thus, in the process of an apparent progression in > which the > > obstacles to Enlightenment were gradually (or > perhaps suddenly) > > removed, the false "me" obviously cannot exist. > > However, the "I" or "me" as mentioned by Ramana > and Nisargadatta > > Maharaj, and many others, still exists as a > body/mind minus the > > delusion of separateness. > > HP: I guess we can call it a paradox, and limitation > with the use of words but again part of > this paradox is refleected in the quote I mentioned > where my guru told someone right in > front of me "I tell people the truth, I never > existed nor will I ever" > > > For example, Rory states that he realized the > Self at some > > particular time (I forgot the year, 2001?) > > HP:Yogananda was confirmed enlightened by his Guru, > My guru by her Guru, Her Guru by > his Guru. > > HP: MMY was not, sri sri ravi shankar was not. It > takes some deep investigation, then the > truth comes out > > Adi Da says he realized the Self in 1970 while at > the Vedanta Temple > > in Hollywood. > > HP: I think he also says he is a unique incarnation > special than any other? He is the > greatest of his kind to ever come along in history > > > Ramakrishna says he realized the Self after > getting initiated by a > > Brahmin in some non-dualist school. > > Ramana says he realized the Self on 7-17-1896. > > Lakshmana, a disciple of Ramana, claims he > realized the Self (I > > believe in 1949); at which time shortly > thereafter, he handed a note > > to Ramana saying "I have realized the Self". > > HWL Poonja says he realized the Self while in the > presence of Ramana > > Maharshi. > > Obviously, the Realization the Self implies that > the "I" acting as an > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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