--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have been carefully staying out of this,
> partly because, on the few non-argument-
> driven forums I hang out in on the Net,
> abortion is a banned issue.
>
> The reason is that, as someone said earlier,
> one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's
> that kinda issue.
>
> You're either "for" or "against." Like
> pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a
> middle ground amongst all the rhetoric.
>
> So, just for something fun to do on a
> sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain,
> with the environment washed clean and my
> self feeling similarly so, I think I'll
> actually violate a personal rule and
> weigh in on the subject. Just this once.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"
> <mainstream20016@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "oneradiantbeing"
> <oneradiantbeing@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining
> > > to abort is incredibly cruel.
>
> Mainstream, have you ever been the guy
> helping a woman to get through an abortion?
>
> From the way you speak, I have to imagine
> that you have not. I have, several times. And
> none of the fetuses in question had the slight-
> est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the
> women through a painful experience because
> they were in pain and I wanted to help, in
> any way I could.
>
> One of the only ways in which I found that I
> *could* be helpful was just not to judge.
>
> I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load
> of judgment in your statement above. It's in
> the second and third words of the sentence.
>
> "'Wanton disregard' of the fetus?"
>
> How about wanton disregard of the carrier of
> the fetus?
>
> It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision.
> You're trying to make it sound as if it is one.
>
> I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to
> cry on for as many women who have made the
> decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't
> think you'd talk the way you did above.
>
> > > DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government
> > > to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and
> > > force them to reproduce against their will.
>
> The bottom line is actually more sinister than
> that. When abortion is banned, the religion or
> government in question has abducted the woman's
> right to *have* a will.
>
> It's a power game. They're trying to impose
> *their* will on the will of all the women whom
> they mistakenly think they "govern." Whether it's
> a priest or a state governor, it's almost always
> a man. And that man is saying to the women he is
> supposed to *represent* within a democracy, "So
> I understand that you think you have a will. I'm
> here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter
> what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within
> you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your
> ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the
> one who gets to decide what is right and what is
> wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And
> if you don't *like* living with it, please remem-
> ber that I have the right [in the near past and,
> if some people get their way, in one possible
> future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you.
> But you do what you think is right. I'll wait."
>
> > If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy.
> > There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy.
>
> There are many convenient ways of trying. Not
> one of them is foolproof.
>
> Every one of the women I helped get through an
> abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without
> a single exception -- some purportedly effective
> means of birth control.
>
> I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a
> priest or a politician -- and above all, like a
> GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really,
> really, really, really BAD about contemplating an
> abortion, or having had one in the past. And in
> my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very
> different plane of attention than the women I held
> while they sobbed their way through the experience
> you so blithely call "wanton disregard of the fetus."
>
> You have NOTHING to say about it.
>
> It's not your body.
>
> It's not your decision.
>
You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the entrance to an
abortiion clinic in
protest. How dare you suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that
abortion is
cruel! Regarding your compassionate support to so many women tormented by
their
decision to abort - I think you had alot more involvement in their basic
predicament, and
that you lobbied for the eventual decision that caused them so much pain.
