> ... but if you think those videos that Curtis posted are Shotokan, > then you know nothing of Shotokan as you claimed. > > Those videos Curt posted are an insult to Shotokan. > > THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to > qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go >
I thought you were a pro science guy. You know peer reviewed studies? The review of martial arts has been settled in the octagon ring. The videos I showed were challenge matches by brave Shotokan fighters against a martial art designed to counter striking arts by grappling. I have nothing but respect for those guys. The guys who hide in dojos and never test their system should be washing their GIs. The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the "master" touched them. Ever try to flip someone using one hand who doesn't want to flip over? We are exactly 15 years too late for any argument about traditional karate styles, the issue has been settled in the ring by guys willing to put their traditions on the line to really find out what works. Any dojo that isn't cross training now is running an aerobics class. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Any attention on any martial art is great IMO. So high five for that. But comparing choreographed demos to challenge matches is not realistic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. > > > > > > Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than > barroom > > brawlers. However it doesn't work as well on the ground as the > > > technical fighters in mixed martial arts in UFC have discovered. > > > Here > > > is an example of how it looks: > > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-SltgKQHDU&feature=related > > > > > > Here is Shotokan specifically: > > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=NWegy3_mhLE > > > > > > This is not to say that you aren't a total badass. Warrior spirit > > > goes a long way. But the evolution of mixed martial arts is > really > > > amazing. All the top fighters these days are crosstrained in Thai > > > boxing for striking, Brazilian Ju-jitsu for ground game and > > > wrestling for take downs and position control. You might enjoy a > > > UFC. I think you would find it is a long way from the bar room. > > > > Having studied Shotokan for a number of years > > before investigating other styles, I have to > > agree with Curtis about its applicability in > > the real world. It's similar to what someone > > said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier > > today -- the idea of being able to fight is > > a great deal more important than being able > > to fight.>> > > True, which is like the quote I posted in the beginning: ""True > karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and > developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be > devoted utterly to the cause of justice." > --Gichin Funakoshi" > > ... but if you think those videos that Curtis posted are Shotokan, > then you know nothing of Shotokan as you claimed. > > Those videos Curt posted are an insult to Shotokan. > > THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to > qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go > > OffWorld >
