--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis, > > You continue to score points over here. > > Curtis: You don't get a pass for ragging because the kids are dying. > > Edg: I tried the ME -- didn't work. I tried to engage the > collaborators with words. Didn't work. What do you suggest? > > Curtis: I think you over objectify your targets out of their humanity > sometimes. That is a human loss no matter what their POV is. > > Edg: Good points. I do objectify these scoundrels, cuz that's what > they must BE to have such blind eyes when they think they're looking > at the world 20/20. It is their mindset I am objectifying. If I had > them on their knees and me with a sword, I couldn't cut off their > heads, but if I could push a button and remove the predation and > elitism in them, I'd hit that button with a sledge hammer. > > Curtis: The people who wanted to get the pundits some freak'n decent > clothes for Iowa Winter were following an impulse of kindness that I > admire. Do we have to relate it to other problems? Can't is just be > cool on its own? > > Edg: Again, nice points, and yes, there are some very good hearts in > FF -- hearts that are abused and used again and again by the TMO. > And, yes, I could pick my battles, but coward that I am, so much that > I used to do when I was a protesting hippy simply is too risky for me > today -- words are the only bullets I have left. To me, they're like > the 2x4 used to get a mule's attention. > > Curtis: I don't know that he [Dick] isn't. Maybe he is caring for a > sick parent at home and this is his outlet for hope. I think you > brought a gun to a fistfight and you are bound to shoot off a few > rounds. At this stage, knowing what we all know, I suspect TBs have > some good reasons for believing as they do. It isn't for me, and I am > judgmental about it too. But I don't need to kick a crutch out from > under someone, even if that is how I may view some of the movement > believer shit. > > Edg: More good points -- you show your heart. I don't know that I > can match you for your willingness to cut TBs a break. There were > many Nazi TBs that thought they were doing the most holy thing by > purifying their race, ya know? Hard to sort the really bad guys out > and leave the Dick-types alone. > > Curtis: I just think you are being too personal in your attack and not > allowing for a person with real needs like yours. > > Edg: Yeah, when someone's actions are affecting me emotionally, I do > take it personally. All my life, I've eaten shit from just about > everyone and said "ooo, yummy." But no more. If it's merely a speck > of shit from Dick or a plateful from Richard, I'm complaining. But, I > know I use too broad a brush -- a lot. > > Edg: "I don't have patience with folks who refuse to see the > implications of their positions when if those positions are > extrapolated into their extreme forms evil is then easily seen." > > Curtis: I think this is at the crux of our differences. Extrapolating > imposes an absurd condition on thoughts. Everything isn't a slippery > slope, even if one can be imagined. > > Edg: This is advice I can listen to. Thanks. > > Curtis: I don't hold someone responsible for the action of the > movement. I remember what it was like for me. If you rock the boat > they cut you off from enlightenment. TBs are way too cowered to raise > a fuss. I remember the mindset, karma etc. Dick doesn't deserve that > much shit IMO. > > Edg: Okay, okay, no more shitting on Dick. > > Curtis: So you have differing world views and perspectives on a > complex topic. If you don't understand Richard's POV it is hard to > imagine that you have really developed your own. > > Edg: I read his Web pages. He's been around the block, and I do > think I understand his POV -- "kill them all and let God sort them > out." My own POV evolves by the nanosecond, and Richard's too, for > sure, but he is so unwilling to examine the "pain of the world," and > slips into being such an asshole, that, yeah, wrong of me, but he gets > under my skin when dead children are scattered around the globe and > he's saying "so what?" > > Curtis: I am not a fan of terms like "minion of evil". It is too one- > dimensional and missed the gray zones that interest me about people. > It sounds very George Bush, a comparison which I'm sure you will > appreciate! I don't view Bevan or MMY in this light. I reserve that > title for the very few who have earned it. Nobody in the movement > even comes close IMO. > > Edg: Yeah, I tend to lump slightly bad with extremely bad. My bad. > > Curtis: Edg, I'm not teaching you shit. I am just enjoying > communication on a richer level than a confrontational one. You don't > have to cut me any breaks. My love of music isn't anything I choose > and shouldn't be anything that makes you see me as deserving a break. > I am a man possessed by his own interests, just like you. > > Edg: Nice. Humble shit there, dude. I'm inspired. I'll try harder, > but if you would just, you know, for the sake of giving Edg an > example, could you pick one of the trolls here and show me how to > handle them and get anywhere with them? I'll be mightily impressed. > And, to the degree that I am a troll, you're expert handling of me is > not unnoticed, but let's see you engage Off or Shemp and see if their > POV's are something you can dance with -- without them stomping your > toes on purpose. > > Geeze, Curtis, you were so nice to me in this post that I'm sorry I > ever smacked atcha for drooling. > > Edg >
Hey Edg, You met me more than half way here, thanks. When you look at how many things had to change in the way were were relating to each other, how many choices we made to inflate the one dimensional caricature of each other we were relating to, into a more nuanced, more human, 3-D one, I think we can understand why such an event is rare here. We both decided to do the work. We prioritized it and were willing to take a few shots as we negotiated a better way to relate. I appreciate it very much. I don't think we can ever assume that another poster is willing or interested in going through that. It can't be forced on somebody, thats for sure. And since the medium we are communicating with is so flat, it only takes a few harsh words to spin it all back into its original compressed, protected form. I think it is usually worth a try. But when that fails I just try to accept what a person will offer here. Both Shemp and Richard can post some interesting stuff, and I just focus on that. I fired my self from the job of changing other people a long time ago. I totally sucked at it anyway. Now I just say my piece for my own peace. Maybe that is what you are doing as well. About the big problems in life... we all pick our own battles. I don't rag on anyone here because they have forgotten the African American sharecropper musicians who invented modern popular music in the 1920, and 30's. Well maybe a little.
