--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > As you pointed out, it's NOT just TM and Maharishi. > > This is a recurring theme among many Eastern and > > Western philosophies and spiritual traditions. > > The founders were by nature recluses, unable to > > function well in the world without being taken > > out by their *own* attachments and desires. So they > > retreated from the world, into the world of medi- > > tation or, in some cases, actual recluse lifestyles. > > While these teachers may put on a "false front" for > > the cameras of meditation being a way of enjoying > > 200% of life, for them it was never true; meditation > > was the vehicle for getting *out* of life, for never > > having to deal with it and become as comfortable > > with the relative as they are with the Absolute. > > Is it any wonder that their students begin to > > believe the same things? > > > What most westerners don't realize is that most Hindu styles of > realization don't take you off the "wheel of suffering", the patterns > of rebirth and reembodiment (by their own admission). Instead one > gets sidetracked to a nicer samsaric realm that lasts longer. But > eventually one exhausts the karma that got them there, and "back on > the wheel" they go. The Great Escape is not real enlightenment after > all....or so those damn Buddhists claim. >
The Vaishnavas and Christians believe on an everlasting heaven where one who is deserving will never again return to earth and the "wheel of suffering". The temporary realm that you mentioned applies to world (lokas) of the demigods, like Brahma, and of those people who believe in them.
