I read ahead to some of the replies.  I'm only sorry I wasn't the 
first to congratulate you on this fine analysis.  Something like 
this done on a corporation for investment purposes- 10K, min.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
> 
> > The ridiculously named "TM-Free" blog is anything *but* TM-Free. 
It's
> > all TM, all the time. Unhealthy-TM-Obsession Blog is a more 
accurate
> > description.
> 
> 
> I checked the blog out.  Seems no more unhealthy than this place--
we
> have no idea the extent of anyone's obsession. I can understand the
> desire to put out the other side of the story as the TMO never sees
> anything wrong with itself.  Both that blog and this group reflect 
how
> people deal with the paradox that Peter mentioned.  And the 
original
> poster mentioned.  
> 
> I am coming to the very personal conclusions that:
> 
>  (1) MMY probably believed strongly in himself and his cause, but 
was
> manipulative, lacked empathy, was prone to exaggeration and I don't
> believe he was enlightened.  He as the founder is ultimately
> responsible for the organizations that have evolved under his 
tenure.
> 
>  (2) Meditation 20 minutes twice a day probably does no harm and
> likely does a fair amount of people some good.  A chance to step 
back,
> relax, let go. Maybe it has some physical benefits but they are not
> pronounced. The psychological benefits are harder to quantify.
> Spiritual benefits?  The jury is out for me.  I wouldn't pay the
> current price.  The price is elitist. 
> 
>  (3) I question whether the advanced techniques and the siddhis 
have
> any benefit whatsoever.  The promised benefits have not been 
shown. 
> The claims are exaggerated. The teachers say you need no faith to
> practice the techniques, but why would you practice the techniques
> unless you had faith that they worked? Super highway to 
enlightenment?
>  I don't see it. If it is a superhighway, I know plenty of people 
who
> have been on that highway for more than 30 years, still going 
around
> in circles. I think that any benefits people perceive are in large
> part due to justification.  You invested a lot of time and money;
> dissonance theory makes it likely that you will exaggerate the
> benefits and minimize the detriments and never know you did so. 
> 
> (4) Excessive meditation, like rounding, may be dangerous to some 
and
> is good for almost no one.
> 
> (5) The TMO is a collection of various corporations and entities 
that
> are not financially transparent which leads to considerable
> speculation as to where the money goes.  It is paternalistic and 
not
> democratic, inconsistent with many western values.  Its leadership
> structure and asset ownership structure is obscure. It has 
blinders on
> as to the TM techniques and its affiliated scientists often 
refuses to
> cooperate with outside scientists and they ignore potential 
problems
> in some meditators. Its inside scientists do not behave as 
scientists,
> they behave like religious fanatics. Yet, as a religion it fails.  
The
> various religious type pronouncements are inconsistent (think Nader
> and heaven vs. the more mystical hindu view) and it has no real
> ethical or moral teachings. Trying to make it a religion without an
> underlying morality is dangerous. Yet many TBs seem to make it a
> religion.  And, after all, the TMO says it is NOT a religion.  
> 
> (6) Given the exaggerated claims, the unproven benefits, why would
> anyone then buy into the siddhis, the food supplements, the natural
> law party, the vastu architecture, the pulse diagnosis, the yagyas,
> the consciousness based education, all the things that the movement
> wants to sell?  A rational person would want damn good evidence.  
Or
> they would have to be religious about it, taking these things on 
faith
> because they trust what their religion says about these things.  
Well,
> I already have concluded that as a religion the movement fails. 
And it
> professes not to be a religion anyway.  I already have concluded 
that
> I do not trust MMY enough to take his pronouncements on faith 
alone. 
> 
> 
> Thanks the the forum for helping me think through what I believe.
>


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