--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: [...] > > Alpha would not be dissociation because it is RESTING. Disociation > implies watching > > something *going on*. with Pure Concciousness, there is nothing going > on. When alpha is > > blocked, somethign starts to "go on." > > > > You miss what I am saying. There is more than one kind of dissociation.
No doubt. > One kind of dissociative state is where people "space out" and forget > what happened for a period of time. As near as I can determine this > does in fact can correlate with increased alpha activity. Well, insomuch as alpha means the brain isn't processing outside data, I would agree that thsi sis the case. However, "witnessing" as a noticeable state is something possibly different then merely showing alpha, which is associated with non-information processing. At teh most philosophical level, perhaps not, but in terms of what is a reportable state of "witnessing," there's likely more requirements then simply "alpha." The kind of > dissociation where you "split" and watch what is going on is totally > different and I agree could involve gamma activity. I would not say, > though, that nothing is going on with alpha. In fact, I think something > is always going on. ;) If nothing else, you are running the systems. > Alpha isn't some magical state. I am not sure I buy that pure > consciousness is somehow associated with alpha. > Well, its highly correlated with self-reports of witnessing during meditation, and witnessing during sleep, dreaming & waking activity > I have to do a lot more reading and I sure have not read much in the > past 20 years on these issues. You seem to have a lot of interesting > resources. I am not really looking to argue, I just want to know what > you are basing your opinions on so I can make my own evaluation. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez search: travis meditation > > Alpha synchrony + regular sleep EEG< I believe. 35 years reading this > stuff and talking to > > researchers about it. > > > > > > Thanks! So do you have a study? When will the alpha synchrony occur? > What are the reported signs by the subjects if any? I assume that they > generally report witnessing? Do they report any specific experiences > during sleep? I have a break of 20 years in reading this stuff, but I > am educated well enough to understand what I am reading and to evaluate > the research. I also participated as a student in early meditation > and biofeedback research, not sponsored by the TMO. > My bad. No significant differences for alpha coherence during sleep. http://www.fredtravis.com/Sleepwit.html Lawson
