--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote:
[snip] > > > > Everybody wants to be happy. Adharmic behavior results in > unhappiness. > > > > Dharmic behavior results in happiness. It's up to each individual to > > > > live their dharma, whatever it is at their stage in life. I'd > suggest > > > > that all dharmic behavior, though it may be different for each > > > > according to their station, is life supporting in general. > > > Well, you have not addressed my point. To me thats fundamental. For > > > you, not so much. If you want to live with the contradiction and that > > > makes you happy. So now we have two things that you suggest, or imply, > > > bring happiness: dharma and confusion. Many people world side must > > > therefore be very happy. > > None of what you've said here makes any sense to me. The "confusion" > > appears to be yours. > I am sorry. Where did you then answer and "solve" the contradiction > that your position presents? I don't see any contradiction in my answer. > "I am interested if you have an answer because I don't see one. I > will try again: 1) If actions create specific reactions, not random > reactions, and 2) some gain happiness, others suffering from the > sames reaction or fruit of action, then HOW can everyone doing the > same prescribed action A result in all happiness to everyone and all > suffering from Action B." No one can be expected to measure the specifics of each 'course of action' - it's 'unfathomable'. But one can surely aim to live rightly such that unhappiness doesn't unnecessarily show up and bite them on the ass. > If you did and I missed it, I agrconsideratioee, I must have confused > your answer. If you did not answer it, but feel it is not relevant, > then, indeed, IMO your position is confused and not yet worthy of > consideration. agrconsideratioee ? > > > So skipping over the confusion dilemna, on dharma, you said "ALL > > > dharma" [caps added]-- which are depicted in "shastras" as you have > > > stated. > > I made it clear that dharma "may be different for each according to > > their station." Dharma itself, by definition, is right action. > > So I assume that you are in favor in all shastras -- hindu, > > > muslim, jewish, chrhristian, buddhist, native american indian, > > > sceintologist, zoastriain, platonic, kantian, sartian -- the later > > > some presenting clear codes of ethics -- rules to live by in > > > deterining right and wrong -- which are the essence of shastra. And > > > Vaishnava and Shivite shastras -- all good, correct? So when Kant, > > > Abraham, Buddha, Paul, the Shi-ite founder, Krishna, Shankara and Manu > > > disagree, how do you choose which action is dharmic and which is not. > > > > > That is what seeking is all about - which is quite different from > > careless self-gratification. > I am sorry, did you answer the question? I don't see it. Again, > "of the contradictory shastras and codes of ethics, how do you choose > which action is dharmic and which is not"? Until > > You stated, > "I made it clear that dharma "may be different for each according to > their station." Dharma itself, by definition, is right action." > > You don't see the circular logic there? You don't see that that > provides absolutely no practical basis for correct or happy producing > actions? Do you have no code of behavior whatsoever? Maybe I'm naive to expect a mature adult on a "spiritual" path to at least have a clue about the basic difference between right and wrong and their respective consequences. > If you ACTUALLY feel that having some clear practical guidance as to > how to define ones dharma, and map the appropriate shastra to it is > not relevant, then, indeed, IMO your position is confused and not yet > worthy of consideration. If one is at all concerned about behavior that leads to happiness instead of suffering, then it's up to that individual to *find it for themselves* as I've already said. I'm not here to preach to you what to do and what not to do. I've presented my own position in terms of someone [Guru Dev - SBS] whom I consider to be more than a little knowledgeable about the subject of how to avoid suffering - and based on my own experience. And I see nothing you have offered in place of what I've presented.
