--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And some would say A and B both equally suck. And does nothing so as > > > > to create nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic behavior and dharmic > > > behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is suffering. The result of > > > dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite obvious to me. > > > > > > > I know it seems obvious to you -- which is always a danger sign, IMO. > > "Seems obvious" can stem from taking things on faith. You don't seem > > to be able to get outside your box by even acknowledging that the same > > thing may cause one person joy and another suffering. Until you > > understand that, the walls of the box of blind faith may be remain > > high and mighty in your life. > > > Well, apart from my own experience [not just belief, or faith], it > apparently was obvious to Guru Dev as well:
I REALLY don't think you speak for Guru Dev. But do as you fancy. > ~When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from > dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with > brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. > > Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as > long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of > Bhagavan [God]. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in > desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from > janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. > > ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita > kaNa 9 of 108] > Which of course quite different from what you said. You can throw out, or up, literally, any quotes you want. Non have explained, the point, or question I raised above. I am interested if you have an answer because I don't see one. I will try again: 1) If actions create specific reactions, not random reactions, and 2) some gain happiness, others suffering from the same reaction or fruit of action, then HOW can everyone doing the same prescribed action A result in all happiness to everyone and all suffering from Action B. If YOU have an answer, great. > A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and > distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. > If you accept paramaatmaa [God] is all-powerful then how can you say > afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? > > If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is > improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not > having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can > he not be and what can he not do? > > Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with > qualities). > > The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without > qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not > accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the > niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. > > So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is > wicked and what is sacred. > > > 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am > manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' > > ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 > > > By the word "saadhu" don't understand it to be the ones who have > red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The > meaning of the word "saadhu" is 'good', the person who has a good > disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of > conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own > religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara > (incarnation). > > ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya > UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] > > > Only by contact with Paramatma (God, the Supreme Self) can there be > true happiness for the jiva (the individual soul) since in that is the > highest happiness. > > If one has something, the very same one can give to another. To demand > any money from a pauper would really be a folly then. Wealth of that > kind can only be gained by going to a mass of wealth, only from a > treasury of knowledge can knowledge be gained, that kind of > treasure-house of happiness / form of happiness is who Bhagavan (the > supreme Being) is, really only from them can happiness be gained. > > In worldly existence devotees of Bhagavan are left to be vessels of > grace and nobody else is happy. Only those devotees who desire > spiritual contemplation of Paramatma have an experience of happiness - > otherwise to all, little-by-little only suffering slowly is lived. In > worldly existence nobody is found to be happy. If someone has a lack > of something they regard someone who has that as the way to happiness. > But the one who has, does not see regard themselves as happy. > > He who has no son regards the one with sons as happy, but from the son > how much happiness is there, ask this of any with sons. It is already > known, in truth in anything else earthly and material there is no > happiness. The form of happiness then is the form of sachchidananda > (truth, consciousness, bliss) is really Paramatma and from coming in > contact with that the jiva can become happy and there is no other way > to be happy. > > Actually, Paramatma is like a "general merchant" in whose place there > is no deficiency of any articles of happiness. But in order to gain > his grace regular effort is required, not only some reading of the > greatness of Paramatma. By studying an catalogue how can you become > wealthy? > > To wish for happiness from worldly people is a mistake. Good, how can > someone who is himself unhappy make another happy? In worldly life > those who are seen as happy, that is relative happiness. By any one > thing someone is happy then someone is happy in another part. > > If you are to ask for any happiness then beg from this place, from > wherever all happiness can be gained. Remember this that whoever bows > in the direction of Paramatma the very same can obtain happiness and > peace in worldly existence, otherwise not. To search for happiness in > worldly existence is similar to quenching one's thirst by collecting > drops of dew. > > ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev > [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 1 of 108] > > > All links: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm >
