Thanks for the hooray Edg. I am such a dilitantte with meditation, I wouldn't hold your breath for any deep insights from this fool. There are so many others here who take the whole thing so much more seriously. For me it seems like some kind of brain endorphin addiction that I picked up again like an AA dude fallling off the wagon and finding out his disease was exactly where he had left it when he resumes! That is a little negative, but I do sense that my brain is effected in a way it likes, and I detect that this may be something different from it being good for me. It is a primal pleasure. But when Vaj and Turq talk about "beginner meditation", that resonates fine with me. I'm a training wheels kind of guy in this realm. I'm the guy I used to try to mindfuck into taking a residence course after checking his meditation who would look at me wryly and head for the door, happy to enjoy a twice a day break, but not trying to start giving Lord Shiva a little reach around!
But meditating without the belief package has some advantages for me just as tripping without magical thinking was much more enjoyable for me. When I was full of magical thinking, acid would make the world a much squirrelier and less stable place where ANYTHING could happen. As a non-magical thinker, the trip was so much more calm and centered because I wasn't looking at the experience as Canstaneda would, as an insight into another world. Meditation for me now is kind of like that. Same expansion and internal party, but without any implications that any of it means something more than its face value. I am carefully monitoring the dissociation factor and if I started lifting off again as far as I was in the old days I would probably chill on it for a while. I believe this is not a state I need a lot of. Sort of like exercise. There is a too much there too where I start to lose energy instead of gain it. It was good for me to shake up my identity as a non-meditator. Plus it makes it so much weirder when I bring up where I think Maharishi was full of shit! A meditating, EX-TMer, how Zen is that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis, > > Good on ya for doing, erp, no other phrase for it, "research into > consciousness." > > If you do post more about your experiment, I'll be reading it -- word > by word. > > I think that your doing so (non-doing so?) is a neat modeling to us > that despite your well known circumspections of suspiciousity > regarding TM, you're rolling up your sleeves for a little "role in the > HEY!" > > I'm rooting fer ya. > > One thing I would be looking for -- after meditation when I would > review the events -- is the differences between the subtleties -- such > as: > > -- "blank" vs. "aware blank" or > > -- "silence concurrent with awareness" vs. "silence concurrent with > time/space" > > -- "energy in body" vs. "a topic spurred emotion" or > > -- "love emanating" vs. "a welcoming open silence" > > -- "dream" vs. "astral and real" > > -- "a step inward towards non-doing" vs. "becoming aware of the > vastness of doingness as subtle levels of mentation become more > clearly graspable." > > -- "directed hallucination" vs. "deep nature revealed" > > -- "unchangingness" vs. "unchanging things." > > -- "mantra and silence equating to the practice of samyama" vs. > "mantra is entirely spontaneous without any stink of egoic intent." > > And on and on could such polarities be poetically suggested. > > I don't know that I am yet fit to return to such an experiment -- I > have so much of an intellectual veneer to poke through first -- that > is "be naturally aware instead of my constantly inspecting processes > by defining them on the fly according to Advaitan dogma." > > Bravo ta ya. > > Edg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > Curtis, > > > > > > MMY said in the past that once you've been initiated into the > > > tradition, the effects of of the mantra stays with you ad infinitum. > > > If your meditation practice is interrupted in this lifetime, you will > > > probably pick it up again in the next one. > > > > And how do you imagine a human being could "know" such a thing? I > > think it is just a way for mediators to deal with drop outs. Can you > > see how it might be viewed as a bit condescending? I don't assume that > > TM is good for everyone, do you? > > > > Anyway I've been meditating regularly as a test since February. I am > > trying to understand its value as a practice without all the beliefs > > in the system. (at least the ones I am conscious of and have > > discarded) So far so good, so I guess my magic mantra found me again > > in this life. At least for now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > > > > <willytex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Curtis wrote: > > > > > > Here is a little gem from Maharishi on caste > > > > > > from his Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > > > > compilation of his SRM pamphlets. > > > > > > > > > > > And you followed this guy for years and taught > > > > > the Vedic religion in his name? What were you > > > > > thinking back then, Curtis? You're just another > > > > > super religious guy who is now feeling guilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it was all great when I taught it. Loved the stuff and > > > > idealistically thought I was getting enlightened and improving the > > > > world. Haven't you changed any of your perspectives over the years > > > > Richard? I bought in when I was 16 years old. I've done a bit more > > > > reading since then. As Lincoln responded to a similar dig: "I don't > > > > respect a man who doesn't know more today than he did yesterday." > > > > > > > > > All this proves is that you and the Marshy were > > > > > almost totally misinformed. Go figure. > > > > > > > > Well we agree on that but perhaps for different reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
