--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just for fun, because it's my last post of the week:
"My plan is to lay low, and say nothing either to [Judy] or about her. I may or may not succeed at this..." --Barry Wright, 7/23/08 > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: <snip> > > > You're making an assumption that the mine featured in the film > > > clip is owned by the meditator-billionaire in question. The > > > conclusion one should make is that we don't know who owns the > > > mine. Therefore, the person in question is innocent until > > > proven guilty. > > > > > > This is the kind of mentality that Bush made in accusing > > > Hussein of having weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. In > > > making this irresponsible assumption, Bush mad an ass of > > > you, me and the American public. > > > > Bush made an ass of himself, as well as those who allowed > > themselves to be taken in by him. > > > > Which is precisely the case with Barry. Because in his > > mind he's so highly spiritually evolved, he doesn't need > > to actually read what he's commenting on; every word out > > of his mouth will automatically be Golden Truth. > > Actually, if Judy hadn't been so intent on > smearing me to notice, I quoted parts of the > original article that weren't posted to FFL, > so I *had* to have read the whole article. > Panicky TB Lie #1. If I didn't notice, obviously I wasn't lying. Panicky Barry Lie #1. > > Of course, Barry wasn't interested in making a point > > about the evils of materialism; he simply realized he'd > > struck a gold mine of opportunities to demonize MMY/the > > TMO/TMers, material that's been good for (so far) seven > > separate posts. > > Whereas Judy is interested only in demonizing > someone who said negative things about TM or TMers. No, I'm interested in demonizing liars, whatever they happen to be lying about. Panicky Barry Lie #2. > But that has *nothing* to do with being a TM True > Believer herself; she's denied that she is one. :-) Right. > > However, because he didn't read the article and because > > he's such a sloppy thinker in any case, he made a raft > > of very amusing mistakes. > > Obviously incorrect reassertion of Panicky TB Lie #1 > again. I read the whole article, and posted parts of > all of it. Judy even *knew* this, because she mentioned > the number of posts I'd made on the subject, and thus > read all of them. She therefore saw all of my quotes, > and therefore knew that she was lying above. See above: "If Judy hadn't been so intent on smearing me to notice..." Barry has always had trouble keeping his lies straight. Panicky Barry Lie #3. > > First, nothing in the article suggests Cavalcanti is a > > TMer. In fact, if there's any hint of his spiritual > > preference, it's for Buddhism. > > Panicky TB Lie #2. The only mentions of Buddhism > I found in the article were by the *author*, not > the guy himself, and referred to 'Buddhist statues' > and a 'Buddhist chair,' whatever the fuck that is. :-) That would be Panicky Barry Lie #4. I didn't say the author said he was a Buddhist. I said that was the only preference *hinted* at *in the article*, via (as Barry so astutely notices) the reference to the Buddhist statues in his garden and the Buddhist chair he meditates in. > But the larger point is that I never assumed that > the guy in Brazil is a TMer. John did. Panicky Barry Lie #5: Actually Barry *assumed* that was John's assumption: "Your whole *point* in posting the article seemed to be, 'See! This guy practices TM and he found an iron ore field and got rich. Voila! TM works! *This* is how 'support of nature' works!'" He was the > one who suggested that the guy should become a Raja. Which, of course, didn't mean he thought the guy was a TMer *now*. What he was saying (as Barry knows) was that it's too bad the TM rajas don't have this guy's entrepreneurial talents. Panicky Barry Lie #6. > John might be correct, or not. I don't care. My > reaction was to the guy's lifestyle vs. his chosen > way of making money. I'd feel the same way about > him and his ostentatious lifestyle whether he was > a TMer, a Buddhist, a Christian, or a Space Brother. But Barry sez his ostentatious lifestyle would be fine with him if he had made his money by discovering a cure for cancer. That's straight thinking for ya. > > Second, he isn't a mine owner. He made his money by > > finding reserves of iron ore and other minerals, > > buying the land, then selling it for a large profit. > > This is not stated in the article. It's obvious *from* the article, actually. Judy made this > up, or "projected" it into the article, based on > something that wasn't really there but that she > hoped to claim. From what was written, we don't > know whether he was a mine owner or not. Selling > his original claim for $360 million doesn't seem > to make a lot of sense *unless* he created mines on > the property to prove its worth. When you've found a huge reserve of some valuable substance, the land it's on becomes very valuable. The article made it clear that he's in the business of looking for such reserves, not mining them. He *sells* the land to people who want to develop it as a mine. Making billions in > the years since without once having created a mine > to prove that there was ore on the property also > doesn't make much sense. Panicky TB Lie #3. No, that's Panicky Barry Lie #7. Obviously he did whatever he had to do to prove there was ore on the property, but he isn't in the business of running mines. > > Third, if Barry had bothered to look up the rest of > > the article... > > Third repetition of Panicky Lie #1. Can you > say "desperate?" I think you can. Barry's desperate, all right. At this point he's told more than twice as many lies as he (falsely) claims I've told. > > ...he'd have found that the guy has distinctly > > philanthropic tendencies: > > > > "He and his wife say all living things should be protected. Mr. > > Cavalcanti said he spurned a deal with a mining entrepreneur in > > 2004 after the man crushed a large ant with his fist at a > > Salvador restaurant. 'I told him I would no longer do business > > with him,' Mr. Cavalcanti said. 'He thought I was crazy.' > > > > "He said he planned to become a major philanthropist, along the > > lines of Warren Buffett and Bill and Melinda Gates. The > > Cavalcantis have established a foundation to protect abandoned > > animals, some 2,000 dogs and 500 cats so far. Mr. Cavalcanti > > said he also planned to open a cancer treatment hospital for > > children." > > I saw this. (Having read the whole article. :-)) > I wasn't impressed. Judy obviously is. Translation: Barry didn't quote that part because it puts rather a nasty crimp in his made-up case against the guy (made up for the purpose of demonizing the TMO/MMY/TMers/John). As I suggested > at the beginning of all this, possibly because she > has considerably lower standards than I do. Obviously I'm "impressed" only enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, just out of a sense of fairness, something entirely alien to Barry's way of thinking (speaking of low standards). > Again, the issue is *how the guy chooses to live*. > I think it's a pretty sad lifestyle, especially in > contrast to the people who dig the ore that made him > rich. What made him rich was finding the minerals and selling the land they were in. For that matter, I think that people who live > like he does and then do a few charitable works > that they can write off for tax purposes aren't > terribly impressive, either. > > Judy seems to feel otherwise. Low standards. Benefit of the doubt (Panicky Barry Lie #8). The point is, Barry had no intention of being fair to the guy, because his only real interest is in demonizing the TMO/MMY/TMers/John. > > The article doesn't say whether Cavalcanti is as > > concerned about the plight of Brazilian miners as > > he is about ants, cats, dogs, and kids with cancer; > > nor can we count on his following through on his > > expressed desire to become a major philanthropist. > > But we might want to give him the benefit of the > > doubt. > > Judy might. But that's because her only interest > in this is acting like a TM True Believer, and > demonizing someone who dared to criticize another > TM TB. It's not that Barry "dares to criticize" a TM TB, it's that he's *driven to demonize* TMers, whether they're TBs or not. And it's not that he criticizes TMers, it's *how he does it*. If Barry were *fair* in his criticisms, whatever they were about (obviously his targets aren't limited to TMers), if he were scrupulous about telling the truth, if he weren't such a pathetic hypocritical phony, I wouldn't have any beef with him. (Of Barry's 50 posts this week, exactly 5 were about something other than demonizing somebody or something, mostly TM-related.) > > Finally, funniest of all, Barry attributes John's > > admiration for Cavalcanti's financial success solely > > to MMY, hilariously overlooking the fact that we > > know about this guy *because of an admiring puff > > piece in the New York Times*. > > I did not at any point attribute John's lack of > discrimination as to who he admires *solely* to > Maharishi. Judy made that up. Panicky TB Lie #4. "I'm sorry, but there is a CLEAR 'teaching' going on here, and it's such a *pervasive* teaching that people like John don't even realize that they've bought into it and accepted it as if it were true and valuable." Panicky Barry Lie #9. And then he does a panicky backpedal: > In fact, I attribute the focus on money in the > article to *America's* skewed values, and the > *New York Times'* skewed values. I *do* suggest > that Maharishi's obsession with money had a part > in John believing that this guy would make a > good Raja for Brazil, but it's certainly not the > *only* reason he'd be impressed by someone with > a lot of fast cars and fancy houses and a lot of > money. Duh. That's a worldwide disease. But we'll just blame it all on MMY when it looks as though a TMer may be showing symptoms of it.
