" To me these are romanticizations either promoted by these people or their followers."
I'm inclined to agree with you, because it's just life. There's a whole lot of "no-big-dealness" to it, because it's so natural. Unfortunately, there's no way to talk about it without it coming across as incredibly special, and it's really not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tizza.izza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ddeadlus <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Sure that's possible I suppose, but it doesn't feel that way. A lot of > > writers talk about how there was this one "moment" where everything > > changed and that was that. This was the case with Eckhart Tolle, Byron > > Katie, etc... It turns out, however that after their Enlightenment, > > which was real, it took some time for their personality to really > > understand what that means (Eckhart Tolle spent 3 years on a park > > bench doing nothing to integrate it, Byron Katie spent a year > > examining all of her old thoughts and ideas and discarding them one by > > one because they did not apply anymore. > > To me these are romanticizations either promoted by these people or > their followers. > > Isaadore > > > > > > > David Carse and Adyashanti > > have talked about similar integration as well, where Adyashanti goes > > into great detail about the after-Enlightenment integration). The > > personality getting used to what has happened is what it feels like is > > going on with me. For me, talking about was always a way to help > > integrate and process it, there's no reason my integration process > > would change suddenly. It's not that it's about the talking mind you, > > but somehow it's helpful, and often both parties get a lot out of it, > > because it's an exchange, not a one way dialogue. > > > > By the way, it's not an experience. The "experience" I described > > initially is a reality to me. It's always there, solid, tangible, > > undeniable and more real than anything else. It gives rise to > > everything else. It feel perfectly natural, but it's not anything I > > ever could have envisioned. It's beyond any concept I had of > > Enlightenment (which I was living before this happened). There are no > > "spiritual experiences" anymore as separate from all of life. What > > sound like spiritual experiences are just my focusing on the > > expansive, cosmic aspect of the apparent day to day experiences. The > > thing is, this reality now renders all relative experiences obsolete. > > It needs to validation because it cannot possibly be invalidated. It's > > like looking at an ink and paper drawing and realizing, for real, that > > it's just a drawing. The picture is the same as it always was, but > > it's really just ink and paper and nothing more. What happens within > > the image is totally irrelevant to existence or validation, so it's > > not that I'm looking for that at all. Again, if I wanted validation, > > why would I come HERE? > > > > I did learn TM and the Sidhi's but I have not practiced for many > > years. I never really liked it, and that went out the window when I > > got serious about discovering the Truth. I'm sure it works for many, > > but it wasn't right for me. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:44 PM, ddeadlus wrote: > > > > > > > It's true. I haven't actually shared much of anything of my > experience > > > > as of yet. But I'd be happy to post more if you actually had an > > > > interest in this sort of thing to the point where you would actually > > > > ask a question if something got your attention. If you have no > > > > interest in this sort of thing, then there's no reason to. I like to > > > > post on this message board for the exchange, not for the sake of > just > > > > writing stuff. > > > > > > > > If you would be open to a discussion if something struck you as > > > > interesting, what type of spiritual thing interests you? Then it > would > > > > be more likely that I could share something you would want to > > > > discuss... > > > > > > In many traditions the need to discuss experiences or tell someone > > > about yours, i.e your "spiritual" experiences is long gone before > > > actual "enlightenment" (admittedly a very vague and misused term) > > > dawns. For example in the tradition I come from "the need for > > > discussing experiences" is gone after one awakens to the state > needing > > > no verification. > > > > > > So therefore someone showing up and wanting to discuss experiences > or > > > tell of experiences IME is a sign. Even without being established in > > > the enlightened condition, there are reasons logically why this > would > > > be so. > > > > > > Can you guess what those are? > > > > > > I take it your another TMer? For some reason this is a really common > > > pattern. > > > > > >
