On Nov 1, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

> Vaj wrote:
>> No, as with many of your posts, you're simply incorrect.
>> Kashmir Shaivism is a nondual path...
>>
> You haven't posted any evidence that Kashmere Shivaism is
> a 'nondual path'. It has already been established that
> Kashmere Shivaism doctrines contend that there is only
> one reality, but it has two aspects, Shiva and Shakti.

I hadn't intended to post any evidence that Kashmir Shaivism as you  
were talking like you were familiar with it.

You'll probably want to read some more about it then, because you  
missed a key point.

Read up on the difference between shambhavopaya, shaktopaya and  
anavopaya.

In any event, there are numerous nondual agamas and tantras in  
Hinduism and in Buddhism Willy. But technically speaking Kashmir  
Shaivism would be an anuttara agama. Since their oldest texts contain  
elements from pre-Buddhist Bonpo Dzogchen, that's probably where they  
originated.

> The 'nondual' path is Adwaita, based on the teachings
> of Shankaracharya and his guru Gaudapadacharya. No
> tantric teaching is nondual - that would be a case
> of mutual self contradiction.
>
> Kashmere Saivism teaches that conciousness alternates
> between two phases, rest and action. The phase of
> transcendental rest is called 'Pralaya' in Sanskrit.


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