i want to make a point here about enlightenment-- "vaj" argues below that he can both follow the dogma, and be -partially- enlightened.
THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. unlike what his teachers have taught him (read $$$ and power for THEM), the experience of enlightenment is one of total freedom and complete independence. there is no need in such a state to refer back to where we are trying to go. another servant to my point here is Barry who frequently mentions he was enlightened once, for a short time. this impermanent witnessing experience has nothing to do with enlightenment either. "vaj" argues the point that someone who has reached the destination needs to continue to look at the map. speaking of absolutes, this is absolute garbage.:) while enlightenment is not a static state, there is no relationship between religious dogma and enlightenment. dogma is useful for pointing us in the right direction, but is then naturally discarded once the goal is reached. many seekers like Barry and "vaj" hold on to dogma because it is a convenient way of not letting go completely of their ego. fine-- no problem, but they shouldn't try to justify it in all sorts of bizarre ways. enlightenment is straightforward. no caveats. you are or you aren't, no dogma and no excuses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:33 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > >> > >>> however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, > >>> whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is > > the > >>> TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. > >> > >> > >> It sounds like you lack an experiential understanding of the > >> difference between relative compassion and absolute compassion or > >> what the nature of consciousness actually is. > >> > >> There's ultimately nothing to transcend; what a silly belief. > >> > > it sounds to me as if you are claiming to be enlightened. or you are > > trapped by dogma. which is it please? > > I'm afraid you're a bit too binary for me my dear! >
