--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <reavisma...@...> wrote: > > This might be the best summary rap about the movement. And you accurately > described the arc of my own start in the TMO, too, uncanny. That's almost > exactly the way I came into, and felt about, the movement. >
My experience too. An accurate rap of the time and feeling. Curtis, I liked reading it down to the last lines. There is a lot of truth there. Apavitrah Pavito va srva vasthan gatopi va yah smaret pundari-kksham sa bahya-bhyantarah shuchihi Whether pure or impure, whether purity or impurity is permeating everywhere, whoever opens himself to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. It's true & know it by experience. Don't you? Believe it? It just is and has its own justice. Seems too i read something like this by Plato that Socrates said in the Republic. Like, that was just more than religion. Is just the truth. That's a way i heard it back when i was seventeen, heard about TM & started meditating then. -Doug in FF > That is, of course, the one big reason why FFL is valuable -- not a lot of > folk have this type of history. Excellent rap, thanks. > > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <richardhughes103@> wrote: > > > > > I'd say we do a poll of how many would've learnt TM > > > if they knew it was going to be like this but I think > > > some of us might have lost thier objectivity. > > > > > > > I was only 16 whe I went to my intro, and at the time very religiously > > motivated. I had been doing yoga for about 6 months (my friend and I did > > assanas in the waiting room before being initiated ,much to the chagrin of > > our teacher who sent someone out to tell us to cool it! I was kind of > > shocked when they taught us assanas on my first residence course because > > the teacher made it seem like thery weren't necessary with TM. He had been > > worried that I was doing unauthorized assanas, not purified by Maharishi's > > approval.) > > > > Having read the Meditations of Maharishi, the reprint of 4 SRM pamphlets > > before the intro, I had some pointed questions about God realization which > > were quickly stifled during the intro and again during the private > > interview after the prep. They gave me just enough wink wink nudge nudge > > that ALL my desires would be fulfilled with TM that I went ahead. But like > > most teens dealing with adults (they were only in their mid 20's) I sensed > > that pushing them further would not be cool. It felt a little weird and it > > took me a while to get used to the duplicity game of TM language. After the > > advanced lecture which dealt with God realization openly, I questioned them > > about their dodginess at the intro and got the whole "wise shouldn't delude > > the ignorant" angle. As a snarky teen I ate that shit up! Yeah, that's > > the ticket, I'M the wise and we just feed the scientific charts to the > > ignorant. I started doing intro lectures with the teacher that first year > > and learned the rules of talking to the "public" and how little we could > > trust their ignorant asses with the deeper perspective. So I was down with > > the religious angle from the start and would have more happily started > > without the SIMS shuffle routine. I was hardcore SRM baby! > > > > I enjoyed being an insider but I sensed the duplicity from the start and > > the mixed message almost kept me from starting TM. I wanted GC, not lower > > blood lactate! But the calming reassurance of the charts did reinforce > > that it was a "real experience. On another level I did take the charts > > seriously, not knowing my total inability to interpret their actual meaning > > or scientific merit.Or the teachers for that matter, who were not college > > grads. It had a "truthiness" vibe that worked on me. > > > > Taking and teaching SCI the next year developed the double line shtick as > > an instinct. I was an insider now, a KNOWER of reality. Oh yeah! MIU > > TTC, more of the same message about the levels of knowledge and how to dole > > it out from my lEVEL. MY LEVEL! It wasn't that I thought I was so great > > because there were so many above my LEVEL that kept my ego in check, but it > > did impress on me that the public was on a lower level. It was US against > > THEM, and they couldn't be trusted to follow what was best for them. We > > held the thin golden line between the public and God realization. > > > > I'm glad everyone has more access to all the movement's teaching and > > perspective with the Internet. I believe that the movement's best PR move > > would be to embrace their cultural identity as Hindu-lite and give up the > > smirky "we are just like you", impression. Belief-wise movement people > > aren't just like me. They hold a set of beliefs and assumptions that the > > general public either doesn't know about, doesn't care about, doesn't agree > > with, or has their own version of from their own spirituality. > > > > I heard one single refrain from all the reporters I talked to when I first > > got out of TM who had contact with movement reps. They all said that they > > knew something was up, something was being hidden and dodged in the > > answers, but they just couldn't put their finger on what it was. The > > movement presents itself to the public as if it has something to hide, > > something it can't trust the public to know, and that duplicity with its > > implied condescension, hurts the movement and the kind of public who might > > dig TM. Nobody likes a slippery Sam. > > > > But the problem is that the movement has run the double line teaching so > > long it has become internalized. Many discussions here take that form. > > Once you are on the PR language track, it has its own logic and vocabulary. > > And the movement is a master at keeping it separate from the Non-PR > > beliefs. So it is not likely that the movement will ever, as most > > religions do, give an upfront list of beliefs that are assumed. Even > > without a mandate that the initiate adapt them they should be revealed > > upfront. > > > > But they just can't bring themselves to be that open. > > > > Because deep down, the movement believes in its heart of hearts, that the > > WISE should not DELUDE the IGNORANT. And they also believe which side of > > that line all the rest of us outside the movement are on. > > > > > > > > > > I'd say we do a poll of how many would've learnt TM > > > if they knew it was going to be like this but I think > > > some of us might have lost thier objectivity. > > > > > >
