--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 <no_re...@...> wrote: > > > (Caveat: I'm not arguing that Hagelin's ideas > > connecting theoretical physics with TM are correct, > > only that Barry's ideas about Hagelin are > > INcorrect, especially his puerile analogy with Dan > > Brown.) > > All physicists would agree with Barry on that point.
I'm pretty sure they would, at least working physicists. The only ones who have any respect for Hagelin probably appeared with him on the "What the bleep..." film. :-) There is something that happens to supposed scientists when they catch the "New Age disease" or the "religion disease" or the "bhakti disease," whatever you choose to call it. They become believers in whatever their spiritual or occult trip is, and science goes right out the window EXCEPT as a mechanism for them to "get strokes" from the religion or teacher they've become enamored with. Judy wouldn't know about this. She never got any closer to the TM movement than to dip a toe in so she could say, "I've been there." But she never *has* "been there." She never had what it took to become a TM teacher, or to commit to trying to spread TM. Above all, she doesn't understand the fanatical desire to "please the teacher" that people who *do* commit to such spiritual groups feel. They will do the stupidest things on earth, just to be "patted on the head" by the teacher. Hagelin is NOT a scientist. He stopped being one many, many years ago. What he is is a religious fanatic. And pretty much anyone who still *is* a scientist can see what Hagelin has become. Like jr_esq, science and the "desire to find out" no longer drive Hagelin. He is driven by the desire to "prove" that the "vedic ideas" Maharishi gave to him are "correct" or "true." So he attempts to "bend" science to "fit" these ideas. It's a shitty fit. But he gets away with it because the people in the audiences he speaks to are trying just as hard as he is to do the same thing. Like jr, they BELIEVE completely that the vedic seers "knew it all," and that modern thinkers and modern science are merely trying to "catch up." That's ridiculous, of course, but so are they. Religious fanatics always are, whether it's Christian fundamentalism or Hindu fundamentalism.
