--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6...@...> wrote: > > Ms Dog, I think you and Thom Hartmann need to pay a little closer attention > to exactly who the *teabaggers* are. The overwhelming majority are > center-right. Pissed off at Bush for more government spending, bigger > government and trying to grant amnesty to illegals, something Obama and most > Democrats do, or try to do, on steroids. There is no way in Hell, the > average *teabagger*would ever get behind the Green Party or Ralph Nadar or > anything labling it's self *progressive or liberal*. Only 20% of Americans > consider themselves liberal, 40% consider themselves conservative and the > balance float in between. Polls are showing Independents moving away from > Obama in droves. > Major *change* is coming in 2010 and I think most people on FFL are going to > be miserable when it happens. A poll released yesturday says 44% polled would > rather have Bush back than Obama and Obama is dropping quickly in the polls. > He has the lowest approval rating of any President at this time in his > administration. >
That's false. Clinton was at 37% at this point and Ford was also below Obama at this timeframe in his presidency. Cite the poll that you claim shows "44% polled would rather have Bush back than Obama..." Sounds like you're getting your numbers from Fox Noise, you know, those guys who repeatedly add up percentages in polls to well over 100%. Wingnut World is full of this kind of gross ignorance and misinformation. Mr Dixon can feel very comfortable within that crowd. > > > ________________________________ > From: raunchydog <raunchy...@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 8:12:46 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama FAIL! > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Given Obama's refusal to twist a few arms LBJ style, Markos at DKos > > > > > finally says exactly what I suspected would happen from the very > > > > > beginning of the health care reform debate: > > > > > > > > > > "This is so freakin' obnoxious I can hardly stand it. We are about to > > > > > get a turd of a "reform" package, potentially worse than the status > > > > > quo. We have the insurance industry declaring victory, Republicans > > > > > cackling with glee, and the administration is using that piece of > > > > > shit to raise money? > > > > > > > > > > Obama spent all year enabling Max Baucus and Olympia Snowe, and he > > > > > thinks we're supposed to get excited about whatever end result we're > > > > > about to get, so much so that we're going to fork over money? Well, > > > > > it might work with some of you guys, but I'm certainly not biting. In > > > > > fact, this is insulting, betraying a lack of understanding of just > > > > > how pissed the base is at this so-called reform. The administration > > > > > may be happy to declare victory with a mandate that enriches > > > > > insurance companies, yet creates little incentive to control costs or > > > > > change the very business practices that have screwed so many people. > > > > > But I'll pass." > > > > > > > > > > http://fdlaction. firedoglake. com/2009/ 12/09/obama- claims-victory- > > > > > over-this/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's the rest of that quote from Markos: > > > > > > > > "Democrats are demoralized, and have little incentive > > > > to turn out next year. The teabaggers will turn out. > > > > If this is how the Obama camp thinks we can energize > > > > the base�by promising them a health care pony for $5 > > > > to the same Democratic Party that is home to the likes > > > > of Baucus, Nelson, Lincoln, Lieberman, and the rest of > > > > the obstructionist gang�then we're in for a world of > > > > hurt in 2010." > > > > > > > > ---John Cole at Balloon Juice counters Markos' rant with this: > > > > > > > > Look, I understand that things are not moving the way many people want > > > > them to and with the speed that some desire, but as far as I am > > > > concerned things are a HELLUVA lot better than last year. I think in > > > > all the doom and gloom, we forget that our President can now speak in > > > > full sentences, has not invaded Russia, and is not ducking shoes > > > > everywhere he goes. > > > > > > > > I've been as disgusted and let down as many people by some decisions, > > > > but I look at where we were and where we are now, and there is no > > > > chance in hell I am going to be demoralized come November 2010. > > > > > > > > I've been watching the wingnuts- we need to keep them as far away from > > > > power as is legally possible. They are dangerous, and this Obama > > > > fellow, despite some letdowns, ain't half bad. > > > > > > > > http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=30943 > > > > > > > > > > Obama isn't Bush? That's Cole's argument for voting for Obama in 2012? > > > BFD! How about we vote for Obama in 2012 because he had the balls to keep > > > his word and fight for health care reform that wasn't a multi-bullion > > > dollar give away to the insurance industry? Here's Oh-Bomb-ya promising > > > you everything and delivering nothing: > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=83FvLjsUOJg# t=4m20s > > > > > > The one thing you should remember about Oh-Bomb-ya is watch what he does > > > not what he says. > > > > > > > > > Then by all means vote against Obama and for a Republican in 2012, Ms Dog. > > > > However, I really don't think that your 'Champion' Hillary, who's adamantly > > said she's not running again herself, will join you. > > > > The problem with the fucking Democrats is they have taken progressive voters > and women for granted for so long and now in Obamaâs administration so > blatantly that I might as well vote for a fucking Republican and get the same > fucking government as I'm getting right now. Horse a piece. Screw it. Iâm > voting for third party candidates only. > > Most people agree the two party system is broken. So let those who claim to > be independent, on both ends of the political spectrum whether left or right, > unify under the banner of âThrow the bums out!â > > Thom Hartmann suggests finding common ground with teabaggers who arenât > extreme right wing, educate them and get them on board with the Green Party. > I think the idea that independents join forces to vote for anyone but a > Democrat or Republican has merit. Furthermore, I would advocate that everyone > vote for a third party candidate no matter whom it is or what he or she > stands for. Just vote your conscience. > > The idea is to shake things up. Even if we end up with crappy candidates, it > canât be much worse than what we have. At least itâs less likely they > would be insiders tied to the play for pay corrupt system that we have. > Besides, if everyone votes only third party candidates, itâs going to send > a message that voters are so fed up with Congress they would rather vote for > an unknown candidate than the same old moneyed interests in Washington, plus, > it levels the playing field for third party female candidates. A twofer. >
