--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchy...@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Given Obama's refusal to twist a few arms LBJ style, Markos at DKos > > > > > finally says exactly what I suspected would happen from the very > > > > > beginning of the health care reform debate: > > > > > > > > > > "This is so freakin' obnoxious I can hardly stand it. We are about to > > > > > get a turd of a "reform" package, potentially worse than the status > > > > > quo. We have the insurance industry declaring victory, Republicans > > > > > cackling with glee, and the administration is using that piece of > > > > > shit to raise money? > > > > > > > > > > Obama spent all year enabling Max Baucus and Olympia Snowe, and he > > > > > thinks we're supposed to get excited about whatever end result we're > > > > > about to get, so much so that we're going to fork over money? Well, > > > > > it might work with some of you guys, but I'm certainly not biting. In > > > > > fact, this is insulting, betraying a lack of understanding of just > > > > > how pissed the base is at this so-called reform. The administration > > > > > may be happy to declare victory with a mandate that enriches > > > > > insurance companies, yet creates little incentive to control costs or > > > > > change the very business practices that have screwed so many people. > > > > > But I'll pass." > > > > > > > > > > http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/09/obama-claims-victory-over-this/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's the rest of that quote from Markos: > > > > > > > > "Democrats are demoralized, and have little incentive > > > > to turn out next year. The teabaggers will turn out. > > > > If this is how the Obama camp thinks we can energize > > > > the base�by promising them a health care pony for $5 > > > > to the same Democratic Party that is home to the likes > > > > of Baucus, Nelson, Lincoln, Lieberman, and the rest of > > > > the obstructionist gang�then we're in for a world of > > > > hurt in 2010." > > > > > > > > ---John Cole at Balloon Juice counters Markos' rant with this: > > > > > > > > Look, I understand that things are not moving the way many people want > > > > them to and with the speed that some desire, but as far as I am > > > > concerned things are a HELLUVA lot better than last year. I think in > > > > all the doom and gloom, we forget that our President can now speak in > > > > full sentences, has not invaded Russia, and is not ducking shoes > > > > everywhere he goes. > > > > > > > > I've been as disgusted and let down as many people by some decisions, > > > > but I look at where we were and where we are now, and there is no > > > > chance in hell I am going to be demoralized come November 2010. > > > > > > > > I've been watching the wingnuts- we need to keep them as far away from > > > > power as is legally possible. They are dangerous, and this Obama > > > > fellow, despite some letdowns, ain't half bad. > > > > > > > > http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=30943 > > > > > > > > > > Obama isn't Bush? That's Cole's argument for voting for Obama in 2012? > > > BFD! How about we vote for Obama in 2012 because he had the balls to keep > > > his word and fight for health care reform that wasn't a multi-bullion > > > dollar give away to the insurance industry? Here's Oh-Bomb-ya promising > > > you everything and delivering nothing: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FvLjsUOJg#t=4m20s > > > > > > The one thing you should remember about Oh-Bomb-ya is watch what he does > > > not what he says. > > > > > > > > > Then by all means vote against Obama and for a Republican in 2012, Ms Dog. > > > > However, I really don't think that your 'Champion' Hillary, who's adamantly > > said she's not running again herself, will join you. > > > > The problem with the fucking Democrats is they have taken progressive voters > and women for granted for so long and now in Obamaâs administration so > blatantly that I might as well vote for a fucking Republican and get the same > fucking government as I'm getting right now. Horse a piece. Screw it. Iâm > voting for third party candidates only. >
That's where I figured you were coming from in the first place. Thanks for finally admitting it. I agree that the politicians to a large degree are mostly corrupted; bought and paid for by the Big Money powers-that-be, including by the US Military Industrial Complex. My view is that the Dems [including Barack - your 'Champion' Hillary -AND- many others] are not quite as badly overtaken and owned as the GOP has shown itself to be in that department. I personally think that Obama is acutely aware of all of this and is just as acutely aware that he HAS to function within that very well entrenched corrupted framework to accomplish as much good as possible - without self-destructing by bringing on even more lethal opposition, politically - or otherwise [a la JFK, RFK, MLK]. In my view, Obama's taking a different course that hasn't yet had time to play out. As for third parties in the USA, thay have historically been shown to be notorious losers in elections. Maybe your particular flavor will succeed - you know, like the PUMA bunch. OR - Maybe you could join with the Teabaggers. They seem pretty optimistic about taking back America for "Real Americans." Sarah Palin could become your new female 'Champion.' > > Most people agree the two party system is broken. So let those who claim to > be independent, on both ends of the political spectrum whether left or right, > unify under the banner of âThrow the bums out!â > > Thom Hartmann suggests finding common ground with teabaggers who arenât > extreme right wing, educate them and get them on board with the Green Party. > I think the idea that independents join forces to vote for anyone but a > Democrat or Republican has merit. Furthermore, I would advocate that everyone > vote for a third party candidate no matter whom it is or what he or she > stands for. Just vote your conscience. > > The idea is to shake things up. Even if we end up with crappy candidates, it > canât be much worse than what we have. At least itâs less likely they > would be insiders tied to the play for pay corrupt system that we have. > Besides, if everyone votes only third party candidates, itâs going to send > a message that voters are so fed up with Congress they would rather vote for > an unknown candidate than the same old moneyed interests in Washington, plus, > it levels the playing field for third party female candidates. A twofer. >
