Yes there is very many examples in the book that are as convincing as those that comform to the current theory, too many to mention, the book is totally worth a read, and really I have no religious or emotion objection to evolution myself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <fintlewoodle...@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <shukra69@> wrote: > > > > I am currently reading "The Hidden History of the Human Race" by Cremo and > > Thompson an abridged version of "Forbidden Archeology" I recommend it to > > you if you have not already been aware of it, it is an impressive work of > > scholarship. > > Thanks for the tip. It would be great if someone could prove > the claims they make about humans being around longer than > current thinking would have us believe. > > It seems like they are digging up close relatives of ours > every week now, we have the midgets on Flores for instance, > where do they all fit in? Given that we have so few fossils > to go on it's hard to build a family tree and know that it's > accurate. The clincher obviously would be a fossil of some > sort of humanoid from much earlier than expected for it's > state of development. > > Any mentions of that in this book? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > Fossil skeletons may belong to an unknown human ancestor > > > The fossil remains found in a cave in South Africa could represent an > > > evolutionary link between tree-dwelling apes and our earliest human > > > ancestors to walk upright > > > > > > * Ian Sample <http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/iansample> , science > > > correspondent > > > * guardian.co.uk <http://www.guardian.co.uk/> , Thursday 8 April 2010 > > > 15.05 BST > > > [Skull of Australopithecus sediba] [View larger picture] > > > <http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/4/8/1270\ > > > 723914941/Skull-of-Skull-of-Austral-007.jpg> > > > Fossil skull of Australopithecus sediba, a possible human ancestor found > > > in cave deposits at Malapa, South Africa. Photograph: Brett > > > Eloff/University of Witwatersrand > > > > > > Fossilised skeletons recovered from a deep underground cave in South > > > Africa <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/southafrica> belong to a > > > previously unknown species of human ancestor, scientists claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > The partial skeletons of an adult female and a young male, aged 11 or > > > 12, were found lying side by side in sediments that first covered their > > > remains an estimated 1.9m years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > The individuals are thought to have fallen into the cave network through > > > a fissure before being carried a few metres by mud or water into a > > > subterranean pool, where they were gradually encased in rock. > > > > > > > > > > > > The extraordinary remains are thought to represent a period of > > > evolutionary transition between tree-dwelling apes and the earliest > > > human ancestors, or hominids, to take their first tentative steps on two > > > feet. Their position at the very root of our family tree has led > > > scientists to claim that the skeletons will help define what it means to > > > be human. > > > > > > > > > > > > The remains were recovered alongside the fossilised bones of at least 25 > > > other animals, including sabre-toothed cats, a hyena, a wild dog, > > > several antelope and a horse, according to two reports in the journal > > > Science <http://www.sciencemag.org/> . At the time the creatures died, > > > the region was dominated by a grassy plain crossed by wooded valleys. > > > > > > > > > > > > The discovery of the mass grave has led researchers to suggest that the > > > ancient animals and the hominids fell into the cave network through > > > "death trap" holes in the surface and were unable to escape. The > > > skeletons were so well preserved that palaeontologists believe the two > > > individuals fell into the cave together and were dead and buried within > > > days or weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > The remains, found in the Malapa cave network at the Cradle of Humankind > > > World Heritage Site <http://www.maropeng.co.za/> 40km outside > > > Johannesburg, have already triggered a row over their identity, because > > > they share anatomical features with both early humans from the genus, > > > Homo, and their ancient predecessors, the Australopithecines > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus> , or southern apes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The skeletons have long arms similar to those of orang-utans, a trait > > > shared with Australopithecines, which suggests they were adept at living > > > in trees. But unlike other Australopithecines, they have long legs and a > > > pelvis that is well adapted to walking upright. Analysis of the male's > > > skull revealed small teeth and facial characteristics seen in early > > > members of the genus Homo. Their brains were exceptionally small, around > > > a third the size of a modern human's. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given their long arm bones and other physical characteristics, lead > > > scientist Lee Berger, a palaeontologist at the University of > > > Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, assigned the remains to a new species, > > > Australopithecus sediba. The word "sediba" means fountain or wellspring > > > in Sotho, one of the official languages of South Africa, and was chosen > > > because the species might be a direct ancestor of the genus Homo, and > > > the point at which the story of modern humans begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Berger, Australopithecus sediba may be descended from the > > > more primitive South African ape men, Australopithecus africanus, which > > > lived more than 2m years ago and are known from the skeletons of the > > > Taung child and Mrs Ples, recovered in South Africa in 1924 and 1947 > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > "These fossils <http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/fossils> give us an > > > extraordinarily detailed look into a new chapter of human evolution > > > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/evolution> , and provide a window > > > into a critical period when hominids made the committed change from > > > dependency on life in the trees to life on the ground," said Prof > > > Berger. "Sediba may very well be the Rosetta stone that unlocks our > > > understanding of the genus Homo." > > > > > > > > > > > > Other experts argue that the remains have been misclassified and belong > > > to the genus Homo. "The transition to Homo continues to be almost > > > totally confusing," Donald Johanson at Arizona State University in Tempe > > > told Science magazine <http://www.sciencemag.org/> . Based on the > > > thinness of the lower jaw and other bone features, Johanson is convinced > > > Berger has it wrong: "It's Homo," he said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Teams of palaeontologists will spend the next weeks and months poring > > > over the fossils in the hope of building up a more complete picture of > > > their postition in the human story. Berger said he hoped to retrieve DNA > > > from the remains, which could add enormously to scientists' > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Any time we find remarkable fossils like this, in remarkable > > > completeness, and of this quality, they are going to answer a great many > > > questions in a very fragmented fossil record," he added. "As more > > > fossils are recovered from the species, it is undoubtable that it is > > > going to contribute enormously to our understanding of what was going on > > > at that moment when the early members of the genus, Homo, emerged." > > > > > > > > > > > > The fossils were discovered by Berger's nine-year-old son, Matthew, in a > > > visit to the Malapa site in 2008. Since their recovery, researchers have > > > carefully removed the fossils from the concrete-like sediments in which > > > they were encased. > > > > > > > > > > > > "These new fossils from Malapa return the spotlight to South Africa as a > > > possible location for the presumed transition from Australopithecus to > > > the genus Homo," said Chris Stringer, head of human origins at the > > > Natural History Museum in London. "The fact that experts differ over > > > whether to classify these specimens as Australopithecine or human > > > indicates the mixed features that they display, and the fossils provide > > > valuable clues to the evolutionary changes that led to the first members > > > of the human genus." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From here (but no need to look coz I copied the whole thing): > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/apr/08/fossil-skeletons-unknown-h\ > > > uman-ancestor > > > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/apr/08/fossil-skeletons-unknown-\ > > > human-ancestor> > > > > > >
