How about these kids on video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_nUibzvAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnGSk6N0Ugg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk6iB30L4tQ and all continue the war drums! The hum of the hymn of 24 hours of news! You can find comparisons between these beliefs, but the context and outcomes are completely the same! ________________________________ From: sgrayatlarge <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 24 June, 2010 2:32:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Muslim children singing ..... No Greater honor than to Die a Martyr OK I will give it try. When we learned the Hymn in elementary school ( I did anyway) it was part of music class, one of 5 or 6 classes during the day. Math, english,P.E.,science, etc. We went in, learned the song, sang it and moved on to the next class, with barely a thought to the hymn or music. Now these kids who were on the video, they are immersed in this 24 hours a day, non-stop indoctrination from the time they were born until the end of their lives. You can find comparisons between songs, but the context and outcomes are completely different. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > So you think the outcomes were the same, teaching the singing > > the battle hymn and jihad martyrs song to children? > > Rather than trying to guess what you mean by "outcomes," > could I ask you to be more explicit? (I don't believe I > said anything about outcomes.) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Comparing the great Battle Hymn of the Republic to teaching > > > > Jihad, martyrdom, and glory of death as an end to itself to > > > > young children is a true sign of a broken moral compass. > > > > > > The idea of martyrdom is incompatible with the idea of > > > death as an end in itself, so you need to take that part > > > out. The definition of martyrdom is dying for a cause. > > > "Let us die to make men free" is nothing other than a > > > call to martyrdom. > > > > > > As for a martyr's death being glorious: > > > > > > In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, > > > With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: > > > As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, > > > > > > And this is a call to Jihad, holy war: > > > > > > He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; > > > He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: > > > Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! > > > > > > And bearing in mind that the Battle Hymn is taught to > > > children, you aren't left with a whole lot of difference > > > with which to guide your moral compass: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7HJOTVA-t0 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7hzRSii4Ao > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDksUAzTsM&feature=related > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9diTrarFfI&feature=related > > > > > > > I can't make this up > > > > > > You just did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oooof. Slam-dunk. > > > > > > > > > > "As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, > > > > > While God is marching on." > > > > > > > > > > (And damn, it's such a wonderful tune...) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail <carc108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace is much better to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children were being taught this song and spread word of mouth in > > > > > > the 1800's. I remember singing this song in school, taught by the > > > > > > public school system of America. : ) > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyrics > > > > > > Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: > > > > > > He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are > > > > > > stored; > > > > > > He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: > > > > > > His truth is marching on. > > > > > > (Chorus) > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > His truth is marching on. > > > > > > I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, > > > > > > They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; > > > > > > I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: > > > > > > His day is marching on. > > > > > > (Chorus) > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > His day is marching on. > > > > > > I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: > > > > > > "As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; > > > > > > Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, > > > > > > Since God is marching on." > > > > > > (Chorus) > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Since God is marching on. > > > > > > He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; > > > > > > He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: > > > > > > Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! > > > > > > Our God is marching on. > > > > > > (Chorus) > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Our God is marching on. > > > > > > In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, > > > > > > With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: > > > > > > As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, > > > > > > While God is marching on. > > > > > > (Chorus) > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > While God is marching on. > > > > > > He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, > > > > > > He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave, > > > > > > So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave, > > > > > > Our God is marching on. > > > > > > (Chorus) > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Glory, glory, hallelujah! > > > > > > Our God is marching on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: sgrayatlarge <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Wed, 23 June, 2010 6:48:50 PM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Muslim children singing ..... > > > > > > No Greater honor than to Die a Martyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think this is typical propaganda? This is systematic > > > > > > brainwashing of the most hideous/evil kind. To children! Feeling > > > > > > sorry will not cut it. It needs to be stopped, otherwise, feel > > > > > > sorry for the ones who will be torn to bits and murdered by these > > > > > > same children who grow up to be suicide bombers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise the world will continue to feel sorry and nothing happens > > > > > > and Israel continues to be condemmed by world opinion. Life goes > > > > > > on, and we feel good feeling sorry as if this is enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail <carc108@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sorry for everyone who falls for propaganda everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: wgm4u <wgm4u@> > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, 23 June, 2010 12:20:23 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Muslim children singing > > > > > > > ..... No Greater honor than to Die a Martyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to see the early makings of a suicide bomber? Watch > > > > > > > > and learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illF1vt5g1Q > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How sick and misguided and yet, what a great production, great > > > > > > > talent, even the song is catchy. I feel sorry for Israel, and the > > > > > > > World, for such hate to exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To think that a (suicide bomber) martyr is "God's favorite"?, how > > > > > > > sick and twisted! Those children are being brainwashed for the > > > > > > > sake revenge and material desire for land that will some day > > > > > > > vanish like so many snowflakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
