--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would > not be able to prove what you would consider a "real" > experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > There are a few websites out there where people who > studied with Rama have written about their experiences. > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. > One of my stories is in there, but under a different name > because they published it using pseudonyms for every- > one, for privacy reasons. > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it.
Of course I won't read it. You've already admitted that it was an imaginary phenomenon...so why would I waste my time? It existed in your head and in the heads of your fellow brainwashed cult members. For someone who comes down so hard on the TMO and MMY for being a cult it seems to me that you stand guilty of the very things you condemn in others. > You aren't interested in what really happened, only in > what you want to believe happened. I neither believe or disbelieve as I wasn't there. YOU were. YOU claim, in one post, to indisputably have witnessed "real" levitation and then, in the next post, demonstrate that you hadn't. > So believe that. > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't > affect me in any way. Of course it doesn't. All you appear to be interested in is playing head games with the readers of your posts in order to feed your ego: Look at me, I've experienced the ultimate cool spiritual "power" and the rest of you peons haven't. Take some advice, Unc: if you truly have experienced such an incredible phenomenon that is unprovable, restrain your obviously uncontrollable desire to tell the world how cool you are and keep it to yourself. > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my > personal experience. > > Unc > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, > > the > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have > > NOT > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > > > claimed. > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have > > written that you had witnessed what "looked like" levitation and not > > to have used the word "real" and then qualify the experience so > > extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hundreds of times. You're just trying to > > > disbelieve it. > > > > > > > > It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a > > question of me not allowing myself to "fall" for a recounting of a > > phenomenon that it turns out didn't happen as you originally > > described it. > > > > And if it happened "hundreds of times" and hundreds and thousands of > > others saw it as you did I would suggest to you that others would be > > relating their experiences of the phenomenon as you also did. > > > > And, hey, maybe they have. Could you please supply even just a few > > names of people who also witnessed it? Maybe you could supply links > > to websites of people who also witnessed it so I can read their > > accounts? > > > > > > > > > I understand. I tried to disbelieve it > > > myself. Didn't work. > > > > > > > Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it > > > > possible that there was "some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > > in > > > > which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a > > > > phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level" > > but > > > > that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually > > > > witnessed it. > > > > > > > > So. > > > > > > > > To me, the important question is: why did you feel the > > compulsion to > > > > tell us that you DID see "real" levitation when it is obvious > > that -- > > > > even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far > > from > > > > what could remotely be described as "real"? > > > > > > Shemp, you are seriously missing the point. I'm sitting > > > in front of you. I slowly lift up off my chair and hover in > > > mid-air for a few minutes. You see this clearly. You > > > actually pinch yourself to make sure you're not dream- > > > ing. You get up and walk all the way around me, to > > > make sure there are no hidden wires or anything. > > > Then I settle back down onto the chair again. > > > > > > No one else is in the room. There are no video cameras. > > > Did you just see what you saw, or not? > > > > > > > > THAT is the reality of the situation, except that in my > > > case there were often hundreds of people in the room > > > with me, seeing the same thing. > > > > > > ...then I would suggest to you that at least one or two of those > > hundreds would have either: > > > > 1) wrote about the experience on websites...and, hey, maybe they > > did...can you supply the links? > > > > or > > > > 2) would have insisted that the phenomenon either be videotaped > > and/or scientifically studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't MATTER how it was done. You saw it. And > > > now you have to live with what you saw. THAT is the > > > reality of the situation. > > > > > > YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I > > > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" > > > levitation. > > > > > > ...of COURSE I'm looking for proof. > > > > > > What's wrong with that? > > > > > > > > > > > I have no such need. I experienced what > > > I experienced. I was more than honest about relating > > > it here. > > > > > > > > Were you? > > > > At first you told us that it was "real". > > > > Then in your follow-up post you qualified it to the point where it > > was anything BUT "real". > > > > > > > > > I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince > > > you of anything. I just explained my experience. > > > > > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to > > > not believe it. > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't "freak me out", Unc. I just don't like it when people > > tell me one thing and then, upon questioning, I get a whole > > different story. > > > > That's one of the things that I never liked about the TMO; being > > told stuff and being expected to accept it without questioning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I *understand* that if I were able to show > > > you video, you would STILLnot believe it. > > > > > > > > Yes, you're right on that...even if it were on videotape I wouldn't > > believe it...certainly, it would make me want to see the phenomenon > > studied more...but, no, I would still not believe it. > > > > > > > > > I really *do* > > > understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was > > > there seeing it happen. > > > > > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. > > > It's yours. I got over mine years ago. > > > > > > But obviously you didn't or you wouldn't have written what you wrote > > in your follow-up posting. > > > > That's why I'll ask you, again, why you felt the necessity to > > declare in the first posting under discussion that you > > experienced "real" levitation. > > > > You haven't answered that question yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
