Hope all goes well.....Looking forward to your posts again soon.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfr...@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry to sound so cagey about time. I'm awaiting heart surgery to correct an
> electrical problem caused by open heart (really open like out of my body on a
> plate) surgery in 2001 on my mitral valve.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Did I write like I was attempting to convince? No. I stated my opinion and
> > that to take Tarts points one by one would require way more time than I
> > have.
> >
> > In the meantime Doug/Buck summed it up better than I could given a short
> > amount of time.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I really wish I had more time to devote to this post than
> > > > I do...but I don't. The majority of your points are
> > > > ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing that Earl says that I have no opinion or
> > > > personal knowledge of is the bit about Guru Dev's supposed
> > > > murder and the stolen yantra.
> > > >
> > > > The rest of your suppositions taken from Earl's letter are
> > > > absurd.
> > >
> > > Gee, that's convincing, Joe.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > IMO
> > > >
> > > > n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mahesh, after traveling throughout India, found a man who could
> > > > > > > activate the outer portions of the Shri Yantra. This gave Mahesh
> > > > > > > certain occult powers and control over certain astral beings.
> > > > > > > Mahesh then created a meditation technique and certain mantras
> > > > > > > that would help people blank their minds. In this blank state
> > > > > > > (which has nothing to do with transcendence that is talked about
> > > > > > > in the yoga sutras) these astral beings would brainwash these
> > > > > > > meditators into certain beliefs and certain actions. In
> > > > > > > addition, Mahesh would put blocks on people's nervous systems to
> > > > > > > block their Kundalini from firing and to siphon off their energy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very good. This is the part of the draft I was referring to. It's
> > > > > > very vague in the draft. Hopefully now you'll have a better
> > > > > > understanding of what he's talking about and where he's coming from.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just thinkin', if the bulk of the material in EK's letter is true,
> > > > > then there are a number of implications that one would have to accept.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) SSRS would have to be a fake. He grew and was polished n his years
> > > > > around MMY, validated MMY's teachings and was quite respectful of him.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Andandamayi Ma, Tat Walla Baba, Locksman Joo, Pundit Devarat (most
> > > > > respected and learned Rig Veda pundit) would have to be fakes as they
> > > > > all had significant relations with MMY.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) A lot of the "awakenings" around FF must be fake / delusional in
> > > > > that the majority primarily used TM as their sadhana. (maybe this one
> > > > > is not much of a stretch for some to believe.)
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) The peer reviewed studies would be suspect -- how could they find
> > > > > good benefit from TM otherwise?
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Depak would have bailed far earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6) Purusha would not be having any significant progress over 30
> > > > > years. I have only seen a few over the years -- and while not wildly
> > > > > dirpping with yogic fruits, none the less liked the program and were
> > > > > continuing with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7) My own experiences in 15 months or so of long rounding, and some
> > > > > years of practice (not exactly always on the program) would not be
> > > > > valid. While some are undoubedly thinking "duh", I have not soley
> > > > > been sucked dry by my practice.
> > > > >
> > > > > 8) At the many Kuma Mela's MMY was at, surely the vast hordes of
> > > > > vastly realized ones would have come forward and busted him and the
> > > > > alleged scam.
> > > > >
> > > > > 9) Regardless of prohibitions, many initiators and meditators saw all
> > > > > sorts of psychics, other teachers, etc. and rumors of stuff spread
> > > > > like wildfire. That no one in 40 years prior to EK's visit to
> > > > > psychics hinted a the mechanics EK lays out is baffling.
> > > > >
> > > > > 10) Amma, who likes FF, and whom I thought had good things to say
> > > > > about MMY, would be deluded.
> > > > >
> > > > > 11) AS Clint Eastwood the icon of people who don't take shit said it,
> > > > > "Why els would I have done it regularly for 40 years if it didn't
> > > > > work."
> > > > >
> > > > > 12) Among the very many pundits and all that MY brought around him
> > > > > over the years wold have to have been dupped and/or silent - which is
> > > > > not my experience with the ones I i interacted with and saw.
> > > > >
> > > > > 13) MMY would have REALLY REALY loved his family -- to work 16/7 or
> > > > > more for 50 years on a scam. Who was his nephew on courses in early
> > > > > 70's, Pradeep? MMY didn't seem particularly close to hime.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, is it hard to imagine that MMY had some in India
> > > > > at odds with him -- in terms of his teaching, organization, style
> > > > > etc. And I can sympathize with Earl being quite PO'ed and wanting to
> > > > > lash out at the TMO - and taking things said by those at odds with
> > > > > MMY verbatim.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lots more tings could be listed. But to me, for right now, EK's story
> > > > > seems fishy. If others have pro or con arguments, I would be
> > > > > interested in hearing them.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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