Hang in there Joe. All the best.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfr...@...> wrote:
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> Thanks man. 7:45am (so they tell me) PST on Wednesday.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote:
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> > state the exact time. I'll chant some mantras for you then.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry to sound so cagey about time. I'm awaiting heart surgery to correct
> > > an electrical problem caused by open heart (really open like out of my
> > > body on a plate) surgery in 2001 on my mitral valve.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did I write like I was attempting to convince? No. I stated my opinion
> > > > and that to take Tarts points one by one would require way more time
> > > > than I have.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime Doug/Buck summed it up better than I could given a
> > > > short amount of time.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
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> > > > > > I really wish I had more time to devote to this post than
> > > > > > I do...but I don't. The majority of your points are
> > > > > > ridiculous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing that Earl says that I have no opinion or
> > > > > > personal knowledge of is the bit about Guru Dev's supposed
> > > > > > murder and the stolen yantra.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rest of your suppositions taken from Earl's letter are
> > > > > > absurd.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gee, that's convincing, Joe.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > IMO
> > > > > >
> > > > > > n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mahesh, after traveling throughout India, found a man who
> > > > > > > > > could activate the outer portions of the Shri Yantra. This
> > > > > > > > > gave Mahesh certain occult powers and control over certain
> > > > > > > > > astral beings. Mahesh then created a meditation technique and
> > > > > > > > > certain mantras that would help people blank their minds. In
> > > > > > > > > this blank state (which has nothing to do with transcendence
> > > > > > > > > that is talked about in the yoga sutras) these astral beings
> > > > > > > > > would brainwash these meditators into certain beliefs and
> > > > > > > > > certain actions. In addition, Mahesh would put blocks on
> > > > > > > > > people's nervous systems to block their Kundalini from firing
> > > > > > > > > and to siphon off their energy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Very good. This is the part of the draft I was referring to.
> > > > > > > > It's very vague in the draft. Hopefully now you'll have a
> > > > > > > > better understanding of what he's talking about and where he's
> > > > > > > > coming from.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just thinkin', if the bulk of the material in EK's letter is
> > > > > > > true, then there are a number of implications that one would have
> > > > > > > to accept.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) SSRS would have to be a fake. He grew and was polished n his
> > > > > > > years around MMY, validated MMY's teachings and was quite
> > > > > > > respectful of him.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) Andandamayi Ma, Tat Walla Baba, Locksman Joo, Pundit Devarat
> > > > > > > (most respected and learned Rig Veda pundit) would have to be
> > > > > > > fakes as they all had significant relations with MMY.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) A lot of the "awakenings" around FF must be fake / delusional
> > > > > > > in that the majority primarily used TM as their sadhana. (maybe
> > > > > > > this one is not much of a stretch for some to believe.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4) The peer reviewed studies would be suspect -- how could they
> > > > > > > find good benefit from TM otherwise?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5) Depak would have bailed far earlier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6) Purusha would not be having any significant progress over 30
> > > > > > > years. I have only seen a few over the years -- and while not
> > > > > > > wildly dirpping with yogic fruits, none the less liked the
> > > > > > > program and were continuing with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 7) My own experiences in 15 months or so of long rounding, and
> > > > > > > some years of practice (not exactly always on the program) would
> > > > > > > not be valid. While some are undoubedly thinking "duh", I have
> > > > > > > not soley been sucked dry by my practice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8) At the many Kuma Mela's MMY was at, surely the vast hordes of
> > > > > > > vastly realized ones would have come forward and busted him and
> > > > > > > the alleged scam.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 9) Regardless of prohibitions, many initiators and meditators saw
> > > > > > > all sorts of psychics, other teachers, etc. and rumors of stuff
> > > > > > > spread like wildfire. That no one in 40 years prior to EK's
> > > > > > > visit to psychics hinted a the mechanics EK lays out is baffling.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10) Amma, who likes FF, and whom I thought had good things to say
> > > > > > > about MMY, would be deluded.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 11) AS Clint Eastwood the icon of people who don't take shit said
> > > > > > > it, "Why els would I have done it regularly for 40 years if it
> > > > > > > didn't work."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 12) Among the very many pundits and all that MY brought around
> > > > > > > him over the years wold have to have been dupped and/or silent -
> > > > > > > which is not my experience with the ones I i interacted with and
> > > > > > > saw.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 13) MMY would have REALLY REALY loved his family -- to work 16/7
> > > > > > > or more for 50 years on a scam. Who was his nephew on courses in
> > > > > > > early 70's, Pradeep? MMY didn't seem particularly close to hime.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand, is it hard to imagine that MMY had some in
> > > > > > > India at odds with him -- in terms of his teaching, organization,
> > > > > > > style etc. And I can sympathize with Earl being quite PO'ed and
> > > > > > > wanting to lash out at the TMO - and taking things said by those
> > > > > > > at odds with MMY verbatim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lots more tings could be listed. But to me, for right now, EK's
> > > > > > > story seems fishy. If others have pro or con arguments, I would
> > > > > > > be interested in hearing them.
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