"Pain does serve a sacred role, though it is not begging to be spread to others, or blamed on others. Rather it is like a sacred mantra to move within, and heal thyself.:-)" This is beautiful Jim !!! and totally spot on. I went through lot of pain, blamed everyone else, and finally realized that it was all me. Yes you heal thyself or once you find the source there is nothing to heal..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > A sad situation when one feels compelled to parade and exclaim over one's wounds constantly. "Oh look how I bleed profusely!", "Look oh arrogant worms how wounded am I", "I AM IN PAIN, and if you aren't you are a self-important-true-believer-TM-MMY-etc-aaaahhhhh". > > Pain does serve a sacred role, though it is not begging to be spread to others, or blamed on others. Rather it is like a sacred mantra to move within, and heal thyself.:-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB" <turquoiseb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > He's talking about "spiritual narcissism," but for > > > me that is synonymous with "faux spirituality." > > > That is, unless the claimed spiritual person seems > > > to show more interest in the welfare of other human > > > beings than he does in himself or in his own sup- > > > posed spiritual development, it's "faux." > > > > > > Where the rubber meets the road for me is walking > > > the walk. Those who claim to be spiritual (or worse, > > > to be having experiences that they deem "enlightened") > > > but whose focus seems to consistently be "It's all > > > about me" have IMO missed the point. The measure of > > > spirituality is how much you do for others. Period. > > It's natural for an enlightened person to give, but giving doesn't > > guarantee enlightenment. If the measure of spirituality is how much you > > give then all the Christian missionaries in India must be all > > enlightened. Spirituality is in the "being" and not "action", though > > genuine spiritual like you said would never do any action that is in > > their self interest. Yet there are many avadhutas - mad mystic beings > > who are content to enjoy their bliss, you surely can't accuse them of > > anything. > > You masquerade here as someone who is genuinely interested in > > spirituality, would you bother to read about the genuine charitable > > works of Amma and go meet her? I doubt it, you are here to parade your > > wounds with false Guru and you use that whore of yours "your intellect" > > to bash Gurus and deceive. > > > > > > > > Too many in the spiritual smorgasboard spend too > > > much of their time "doing for themselves" or think- > > > ing and talking only about themselves, and/or their > > > claimed subjective experiences. I guess what I'm > > > trying to say is that to me the word "spiritual" > > > isn't *about* a seeker's subjective experiences. > > > It's about something more measurable, what they > > > do for others as a result of having had those > > > subjective experiences. > > Well again if you are really interested there's plenty out there, not > > every enlightened person can be or have the samskara to be global Guru. > > Nor can every enlightened person can or do so-called "measurable" > > activities of help. > > > > > > As a general rule, the more a person talks about > > > their unverifiable subjective experiences and > > > tries to push out that they have value in them- > > > selves and mean that he or she is "spiritual," > > > the less spiritual I consider them. This may > > > be a limitation on my part, but so be it... > > > > > > > Glad to hear you acknowledge it, it is indeed a serious limitation of > > yours, stop trusting your intellect, heal your wounded heart and listen > > to it. > > >
