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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <wayback71@...> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/9/11, metoostill <metoostill@> wrote: > > > > > From: metoostill <metoostill@> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cult apologists (was Re: Paul Haggis vs. the > > > Church of Scientology) > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 5:38 PM > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > FYI, one technique to *identify* a cult apologist > > > > > > > > I learned from "Columbo" on TV. You just mention > > > > > the term and see who replies angrily. > > > > > > > > > > Duh. The cult apologists who think you were > > > talking > > > > > about them personally. Works every time. > > > > > > > > That's because, in Barry's ethical system (I use the > > > > term loosely), there's never a need to defend another > > > > person who's being unfairly attacked. Therefore, > > > > anyone who objects to a criticism *must* be guilty > > > > of the misbehavior themselves. > > > > > > > > > > I am addressing my post to none of you in particular > > > because my attention span is too short to learn which FF > > > Life regular is which in this very personal back and forth > > > that seems to me to take up too much of the > > > conversation. From FF life's mission statement: > > > "Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to > > > seekers...We often discuss the trials and tribulations of > > > the TM Movement, which may not interest some..." etc etc. > > > > > > So, back to where this post started, something of interest > > > to seekers, and relating to the main common denominator of > > > the group (TM), yes the New Yorker article was all over TMO > > > turf. As one of you mentions, very different, in that > > > I have heard of no physical abuse, but then quite similar in > > > for instance the fact that Scientology shares the conceit > > > central to MMY's SCI and to Hinduism in general: > > > > > > church members believe that Scientology holds the key to > > > salvation: "Only by going through Scientology will you reach > > > spiritual immortality. You can go from life to life to life > > > without being cognizant of what is going on. If you don't go > > > through Scientology, you're condemned to dying over and over > > > again in ignorance and darkness, never knowing your true > > > nature as a spirit. Nobody who is a believer wants to lose > > > that." Miscavige, Hawkins says, "holds the power of eternal > > > life and death over you." > > > > > I see it differently. My understanding from all the years within the TMO was > that TM was supposed to be the best way, but certainly not the only way to > immortality, enlightenment etc. MMY said TM was the fastest way, but other > ways could get you there eventually. Also, the TM ideas derived from a long > tradition of HIndu and Vedic ideas. While the TMO liked to take credit for > much of this, they also nevertheless were proud to talk about the ancient > ideas on which TM products and services (astrology, Ayurveda) were based. > > I read the New Yorker article today- there are some similarities to TM'er > experiences in Haggi's fine descriptions of what it is like to step away from > and then look back at the group you once were enmeshed in. The other parallel > with TM was the idea of removing stresses with a technique - in Scientology > this is what they call auditing I think. But Scientology sounds like a > harsher, crazier world than anything within TM. The shunning that they tell > people to do towards people who drop out is way beyond the TMO actions. The > article gives examples of people who are no longer allowed to have any > contact with parents or children or grandchildren if they leave the fold!! > > L Ron seemed to have come up with some sort of model of how to get your > emotional life together or improved. It might have some effect, or else just > be generated by the individual desire to have found The Way, The Truth, at > last. Despite their talk of spirituality in Scientology, I got a feeling > from the article that it was really more centered on learning communication > skills and getting rid of bad behavior patterns. TM is ultimately focused > on Enlightenment - and one thing many have wished for is more focus on > behavior. Glad I never got sucked into the Scientology nightmare. > > > > > Read more > > > http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright#ixzz1DUZEhRlx > > > > The slight difference between TM and Scientology is that one was started by > > a very creative science fiction writer and the other by a BBB from a long > > tradition of BBB masters. Now the TMO, that's a different story. Whenever > > human groups form that cult dynamic to varying degrees can always arise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > >
