Learning has assisted in helping suffering - not eliminating it altogether. It can go a long way yet. What has suffering got to to with I AM ? NOTHING. It was you who brought the suffering bit up. What has this got to do with MMY teaching? I am interested in what life teaches us by living it and what it reveals to us - not some set piece of rhetoric off the supermarket shelf by some so called guru. LIFE TEACHES US. It is the ONLY teacher. Go with the flow. IF the guru was correct then where the hell did her or she get it from if not life? Come on, let us keep it real. Dick.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" <yifuxero@...> wrote: > > So, you're saying learning and technology are the solutions to suffering. What does the "I AM" have to do with it...the question of suffering? Thx. > And how about intermediate non-physical agents, and the possible role of Shakti, pointing to traditional Yagyas. Do or can such agents alleviate suffering? > You don't seem to be too familiar with the teachings of MMY. Haven't you heard of his expression "Heaven on Earth"? > How about bad karma. If somebody has a storehouse of bad karma, can it be whittled down further? If so, how. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rwr" dick.richardson@ wrote: > > > > Suffering? How can one exist in a physical form without a little > > suffering and pain at times. But it is not there all the time is it. And > > all the time, with learning and technology, we get a little better each > > decade at helping to ease pain and the associated suffering it can > > bring. But most people put up with a little pain at times. What is the > > problem? Anyway, human beings cause more suffering and tears than > > natural forces do. Also, we all have the option to commit suicide if it > > gets too bad. So no problem. But surely there is far less pain, > > suffering and tears now than there was five hundred years ago. > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > > > interesting! ...but doesn't resolve questions pertaining to suffering. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rwr" dick.richardson@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Determined Destiny or Not > > > > > > > > Lord Phoenix > > > > > > > > The part of your experience regarding the baby, from your > > description of > > > > it, certainly sounds like it can be categorised as an OBE. However, > > > > there is far more to all the things which you say there than just > > that > > > > isn't there. Personally I do not feel that what you are experiencing > > > > there has got anything to do with being invaded by some other being, > > > > just other facets and potentials of your self in your own BECOMING > > and > > > > unfolding process. Personal evolution; by way of learning and > > > > understanding by way of direct experience. Archetypes in action. > > > > > > > > However, the really big question which you are raising here is as to > > > > Determined or NOT, isn't it. Or even PRE-determined. This IS a > > knotty > > > > old problem isn't it. > > > > > > > > Let us first just take us here on this world in temporal > > consciousness. > > > > IF I stick my hand in the fire then doing that is going to have > > > > consequences isn't it. Not very nice ones in this case. Prior to my > > hand > > > > going in a fire I had heard that doing this was not a good idea. But > > I > > > > did not KNOW what it was like until my hand did get caught up in > > fire. > > > > True enough, NOT NICE, and best avoided. So, you tell your kids to > > keep > > > > away from the fire. Good advice. Sit by it but don't get IN IT :- ) > > > > > > > > So, is BURNING pre-determined? It is certainly the effect of > > getting in > > > > the fire isn't it. Have you ever known anybody get in the fire and > > have > > > > no nasty effects from having done so? I haven't. So, cause and > > effect. > > > > And we learn to keep out of the fire, and we learn not to build > > cities > > > > on tectonic fault lines, on top of active volcanoes, or in flood > > plains, > > > > don't we. Well, eventually maybe. But causal events of this nature > > DOES > > > > NOT mean that SOMEBODY determined it. > > > > > > > > However, what about these other TWO factors of our being? The > > Totally > > > > Transcendent bit and the BRIDGE bit in the middle? > > > > > > > > How did that Transcendent bit (the bit in that eternal paradisiacal > > > > condition) ever arise there? The experience of it is that one just > > > > bubbled up out of the stuff which exists there, and one can see that > > > > stuff whilst there. It is all around one. But one CANNOT see ones > > self, > > > > or the SELF. The STUFF is just like a vast NEBULA of - - STUFF :- ) > > But > > > > in and among this STUFF is ME I AM. It is AXIOMATIC. IT (me, I > > AM) > > > > does NOT know how it got there. This is way I categorical assert > > that > > > > there will ALWAYS be MYSTERY. > > > > > > > > I know well enough how I got there (the little me here), for I went > > > > there and RE-UNITED with my SELF. I can also describe the journey to > > it > > > > just fine. However, how did I AM get there? I DON'T KNOW. It just > > > > always is and was according to the experience. There is no > > time > > > > and change there. If there is no time and change there then how > > could IT > > > > pop up there? Before existing there there is no BEFORE or AFTER. > > The I > > > > AM KNOWS what it knows, and no more. It knows what it knows by way > > of > > > > cognitively existing. > > > > > > > > Is the existence of I AM pre-determined? Huh ! I would say that it > > is > > > > the effect of what that STUFF does. But the only consciousness in > > that > > > > mode of being and that realm, IS ME. I AM. There is no other KNOWN. > > But > > > > what about unconscious STUFF? The place is full of it. What is it? > > It > > > > is not MADE, it is not brought forth by some other causation. So, > > all I > > > > can say is that it is the POTENTIAL. The primordial STUFF. However, > > and > > > > all this is really rather piffling to what one finds later. > > > > > > > > In this world there is so much unconscious stuff isn't there, lava, > > > > rocks, stones and pebbles, and so much more. Yet, what I found in > > the > > > > Consummatum Incarnate is also found in ALL that stuff. Chew the > > bones > > > > out of that one :- ) > > > > > > > > So, what the frigging hell is it? It is NO THING MADE. And yet it > > is > > > > what makes life worth living it is the THOU of the I > > THOU > > > > equation. The OBSERVED of the OBSERVER. The dancing partner. > > Without > > > > THOU what the hell is existing worth? NOTHING! > > > > > > > > In the Paradesium of Eternity it is exactly THE SAME as it is here. > > The > > > > I (I AM) and that which it IS NOT. It is a oneness in and of a > > dualistic > > > > dance. The I AM is NOT in love with itself for that is not > > love. > > > > Love is ALWAYS I and Thou. What is the I AM in love with? > > Not > > > > easy to answer that one. But it is not really IN love with anything, > > IT > > > > IS LOVE. It loves BEING. It is not in love with its environment, the > > > > place and the stuff there, even though that is all wonderful. But I > > AM > > > > LOVE. > > > > > > > > So, how the hell did all this get there? I don't know :- ) I am a > > > > pragmatist. IT IS THERE. That I KNOW. How it got there I DON'T > > know. I > > > > could say who the hell cares, I don't. And there is NO way of > > finding > > > > out. Hence there will ALWAYS be mystery. > > > > > > > > However, none of all this even mentions the MIDDLE part. That, to > > me, is > > > > the biggest MYSTERY of all this stuff. The bit that joins Eternity > > to > > > > Earth; or Eternity to Time and Changing events. But I am not going > > into > > > > any of that here. > > > > > > > > So, cause and effect, what is determined and what isn't. Some > > effects > > > > are plainly determined by way of what stuff IS and what it does and > > the > > > > potentials which it has. But then comes this bit about my having > > the > > > > power/potential to make some choices and do things of my own > > volition. > > > > Is there a dichotomy here? No, absolutely not. It is but a part of > > the > > > > whole system. Some things I can choose to do, and then do them, and > > > > something I cant. I see no problem, dichotomy or contradiction AT > > ALL. > > > > What is more, and combining all the things which I have found, then > > > > Life, Existing, Being, would all be a huge waste of time, space and > > > > energy if I could not be FREE ! The SEED allows the BECOMING to > > UNFOLD. > > > > So, I AM BEING and I am also BECOMING. I find it all to be good. I > > love > > > > it. And FREEDOM ! Freedom from that divine sublime Eternity. I AM > > NOW > > > > FREE. Well, for little while anyway :- ) But is sure seems to be > > > > determined that I do not stay here for ever. And what is more I > > don't > > > > want to stay here for ever more. So no problem. Grab the day. But as > > for > > > > KNOWING and understanding then I know and understand almost ZILCH. > > But > > > > the gnostics and buddhists know it all :- ) So go and ask them :- ) > > Oh > > > > what PATHETIC WANKERS and great pretenders! They have not even left > > the > > > > cot yet. > > > > > > > > Oh by the way Lord Phoenix sir, this is FREEWARE, so feel free to > > share > > > > it with the gnostics and buddhists groups :- ) they all ban me :- ) > > > > > > > > Dick Richardson. > > > > > > > > > >
