--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > Yea, I like the analysis but I'll stick with hope. 'Faith' is too loaded > > > a word to graph in this. Hope, like hope that Bobby could pull it off > > > vs. hope that he won't pull it off. And at that, what someone is going > > > to do about it in either direction. Buy long, hold, sell, sell short. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a complexion of hope. Throw a shaped curve across long-buyers > > > to holders to short-sellers in spiritual groups. It might be skewed > > > right or left depending on the group. TB's on one side, attenders to the > > > middle, and short-selling on the other. Scale of: hopeful, with hope, > > > with little hope, without hope, hopeless, against all hope. > > > > > > With TM as it is now, you got TM-TB share holders "long" on one extreme > > > and TM-haters on the other end working at "shorting" and some in the > > > middle somewhere along the scale. I would hazard that the nuts are three > > > standard deviations to either extreme. Such is the TM community. > > > > > > The cultists in either extreme are likely not that much different from > > > each other in that the people in the middle between proly don't much > > > trust either end. And shouldn't? > > >
Relative hope, faith, and trust. Yep, this works good. This kind of analysis works great at helping people looking in from the outside wanting to understand what is going on here with TM on the inside. It breaks out the nuance between folks in a way that is quite helpful for looking in. I've run it by a couple of different outsiders wanting to know and it works quite quick and well. It gives a good perspective to something that often looks monolithic from the outside to the un-trained eye. -Buck > > > & Bobby is trying to appear to move to the middle? > > > > > > I think it is an interesting way of seeing what's going on. > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > Wait, I am liking that word "faith" now in this analysis of yours about the > > TM community. > > > > > > Let's scale 'faith' on an axis from: > > > > "Long" on faith, holding with faith, 'holding', holding with lesser faith, > > leaving faithless, selling "short" on Faith, against all faith. > > > > Throw a bell-shaped curve across that. TB's "long" on faith, meditators or > > simple practitioners in the middle, and the haters working on the other > > extreme. > > > > > > That " 'Faith and Belief' in Maharishi" is a strong root in the current > > TM-movement's fealty testing. It's very hard to have a conversation with a > > real TM-TB'er about that. They can't really see it. However, that testing > > has through time propelled the Fairfield dome numbers towards insolvency > > dating back at least to Bevan and Maharishi, Gurupurnima 1994. > > Particularly, " the movement is for those who have faith and belief in > > Maharishi. Everyone else should leave ... and leave us alone". -Bevan > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 > > > > Other iterations of this they say are that "Fairfield is for those who have > > 'faith and belief' in Maharishi's Knowledge". Even last summer when > > TM-Raja-ism got into reviewing the dome policies and guidelines after John > > Hagelin had started in to them, the undertow turned exactly on this kind of > > "Faith and Belief" test. > > This application of "Faith and Belief in Maharishi" fealty got reaffirmed > > by the TM-Rajas and is still the essential policy of the guidelines. This > > fictional video is not far from the truth of how this 'faith and belief' in > > practice con volutes: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOPXgBflM8I > > > > It is kind of a 'hopeless' situation for the dome numbers now with what > > they have done. It is really unfortunate. > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > Yep, this weekend going to Harry's memorial on campus I saw lot of old TM > movement friends up there. His circle was old Purusha and old MIU. It was > great fun seeing people and catching up. I knew Harry back in 1971 and all > along. > > One person I was a little stunned to learn about was a guy who got kicked out > of the domes for using non-TM-movement joytish-i's . This was a guy I > associate with 'long rounds' back before I got kicked out of the domes. I > loved the long meditations. Long meditations and creating coherence program > for years. I had a job and life that allowed for that and this guy did too. > > Last year in the cross-fire between Bevan-conseervatives tightening the > guidelines and John Hagelin-progressives trying to get the numbers up this > guy got sought out and kicked out. Jeesus, this is the kind of guy you'd > want meditating in a group. Retired, has the time and an old powerful > meditator. Out. I'm really kind of stunned with this guy. He is a good > plain guy really. It is so arbitrary, who they go after. It's just a bad > message. And Bevan is going out around the country trying to get people of > the old TM movement to come to Fairfield? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So if I am reading you right here, the market differential > > > > > here would be in "hope". Different people are going "long" > > > > > and "short" in "hope". > > > > > > > > I've been actually thinking about this word "hope" > > > > lately, and so will reply. > > > > > > > > I honestly think that you're confusing the word > > > > "hope" with the word "faith." You may, in fact, > > > > equate the two. I don't. The people I know who > > > > have "walked away" from one spiritual trip or > > > > another are on the whole far more hopeful than > > > > the people I know who have picked a spiritual > > > > trip and "stuck with it," no matter what. > > > > > > > > I honestly think that the distinction you're > > > > wanting to make is between those who choose to > > > > maintain faith in the TMO and those who do not. > > > > "Hope" is not affected by the latter. > > > > > > > > > Those who are hopeful (buy long to hold), those who don't > > > > > hope one way or the other (hangers-on/hold who don't pay > > > > > much attention), the lost hope who leave the market (sell) > > > > > and those who are actively without hope that act on it > > > > > (sell short). > > > > > > > > Replace the word "hope" with the word "faith" > > > > above, and yes, by Jove I think you've got it. :-) > > > > > > > > Except for equating "selling" with "leaving the > > > > market," that is. Do you think that those who > > > > "sold their stock in the TMO" and moved on to > > > > other teachers "left the market? Do you think > > > > that those who chose to strike out on their own > > > > and invent their own spiritual path "left the > > > > market?" I think of it more like they just > > > > changed brokers. :-) > > > > > > > > > Those last real hopeless who actively go "short" and work > > > > > at it covertly are different cats. You can see all of that > > > > > with TM and the community. It's an interesting analysis > > > > > that kind of opens it up. > > > > > > > > I thought so. The "time lag" my friend perceived > > > > and made a fortune from between the time that an > > > > investor first has doubts about the worth of his > > > > investment and the time he does something about it > > > > seems to map well for me to the decision a seeker > > > > makes about going "long haul" with a teacher or > > > > an organization and "selling short" and trying > > > > something else. I've certainly noticed that time > > > > lag in my own life, and have seen it in the lives > > > > of others. > > > > > > > > > In any conversation around FF at any table, in any room, > > > > > or with any group there is always a calculation of where > > > > > people are on this. It kind of determines what and how > > > > > you can say things to people. People are really pretty > > > > > good with each other here that way. > > > > > > > > I can imagine that the politically-correct thing > > > > to do would be to avoid topics that might offend > > > > what you know of your companions' beliefs and > > > > sensibilities, yes. More of an English tea room > > > > than a saloon. :-) > > > > > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-) > > > > > > > > > Good observation Turqb. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Thanks for following up, and with info on short > > > > selling, for those who didn't know what it is. > > > > It's really a curious invention, something I was > > > > completely unaware of until I started doing com- > > > > puter consulting for Wall Street firms. I'm just > > > > not an investment kinda guy, so the notion that > > > > you could make money by predicting a *loss* on > > > > something just blew me away. My intuition has > > > > treated me well in casinos, but there the game > > > > is to predict the winners. With short selling > > > > the game is to predict the losers. > > > > > > > > And it really "fits" with some people's predilec- > > > > tions, like my friend's. He has this kind of > > > > "disasterdar," and can see the bottom dropping > > > > out of certain stocks long before they do. That > > > > enables him to make money *as* they do. > > > > > > > > He's kind of a free-willer in a determinist > > > > market. When he "sees" something, it's for him > > > > a Done Deal. 9 times out of 10, when he "sees" > > > > a stock tanking, it does. So that part is deter- > > > > ministic. But what he *does* with this "seeing" > > > > is free will. He finds a way to turn it into > > > > money. > > > > > > > > > >
