Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Your Glory Lies, Where you ceast to exitst"- Ramana Maharishi

[Llundrub]

I don't know. What am I defending? My maya. It's the only thing thats mi i ine. Yo B, I jus sayinzall.         ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gimbel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Your Glory Lies, Where you ceast to exitst"- Ramana Maharishi --- I think it's more simple, than all of that pain and pride and homeless stuff. Do you know what it's like to be homeless? There are many unenlightened homeless people, caught in limiting views of themselves. Getting beyond the ego, just means +Witnessing+, meaning a basic part of your own nature had woken up and is aware. Whether you are rich or poor, happy or sad, it's all a play, the world becomes a play; you no longer have to defend anything; there's nothing to defend. What are  you defending? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I totally disagree about all this lost ego shit.  Those who fight the ego are merely ego tripping. Is there an ego at all? Show me where it is. Transcending ego is just a thought also. When one is not having discursive thoughts then there is no question of ego. Nor is there question of ego when one is having patent joy.  Ego appears when one is out of space, or tread upon, or squashed, and then it is like the same thing as a pain response.  Having undue pride in one's accomplishments is not ego but pride, another thing entirely.  > > If anyone says they have no ego and cares to dispute this point then I dare you to go give up your property and live as a homeless, just on a whim. There's no reason no to if nobody is home. Then it should all be one taste of selflessness.  > > If you're in brahmin then go turn tricks and give the money to charity. That's a selfless thing to do. I can't believe people spend time worrying the tooh of ego as if it's going to fall out. And if it does there's no tooth fairy for the ego to give you a buck. So where's the point? Because you can then get your ass kicked and turn the other cheek?  Seems less painful to acknowledge ones limitations, ego included (if you can find it.) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Gimbel > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:34 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Your Glory Lies, Where you ceast to exitst"- Ramana Maharishi > > > --Yes, it is strange how many different angles the ego must have to > continue it's existence; we are naturally afraid of death; I see > this in my father, who survived three and a half years surviving > World War II, in Eastern Europe; (we've had many ego clashed over > the years). As he is grappling with his mortality now, he really > can't deal with the notion of death, or loss of ego; > Strange thing is: recently I had a conversation with him, at a time > when I was having clear witnessing, and I could feel how threatened > his ego was in our conversation, and how our relationship over the > years, has been mostly a clash of egos. > This conversation, reminded me of how limited our view of ourselves > is, identified by so many influences through our lives, that are so > limiting, that, one seems to have to get to the point where one > becomes so frustrated by the egos concerns and limitations, that we > finally "give up" and "surrender", and in that "ego death", > Enlightenment occurs. > Eckhart Tolle talks about this experience: right before > Enlightenment dawned,for him,  he was suicidal, and completely > overshadowed by the his mind and ego's concerns. > In that moment of insanity, he recognized the witness, and somehow > completed the experience, then and there. > (Also, he seems to be in an intimate relationship now, so, I don't > think enlightenment is the end of sex). > Anyway, whoever, or whatever, we think we are, has to be given up; > I've had some experience in 12 step groups, and that also, is an ego > breaking experience; in that the first three steps concern breaking > down the ego, and "Surrendering to a Higher Power". > So, there appears to be many ways to get to Enlightenment. > But the main ingredient seems to be the end of the road for the ego. > And one has to have prepared themselves in many ways, known and > unknown, to be motivated to release what feels like one's own self. > > > > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert > > > Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > This is a continuation of post # 65158, and the > > > inquiry into the > > > > nature of the ego, or "who is the experiencer" and > > > interesting > > > > website on this topic of death of the ego, and > > > enlightenment.. > > > > > > > > Some quotes: > > > > > > > > If, however, the Ego is constituted by such a > > > dualistic way of > > > > thinking, it means that an Ego can die without > > > physical death and > > > > without consciousness coming to an end. > > > > > > > > What makes this more than idle speculation is that > > > there is ample > > > > testimony to the possibility of such Ego death: > > > > > > > > No one gets so much of God as the man who is > > > completely dead. (St. > > > > Gregory) > > > > > > > > The Kingdom of God is for none but the thoroughly > > > dead. (Eckhart > > > > Tolle) > > > > > > > > We are in a world of generation and death, and > > > this world we must > > > > cast off. (William Blake) > > > > > > > > Your glory lies where you cease to exist. (Ramana > > > Maharshi) > > > > > > > > see: > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/bodhidharma/ego.html > > > > > > Nice quotes.  It's always been my experience that if > > > you > > > scratch the surface of a dogmatist, what you find is > > > some- > > > one who is pretty close to ego-death and fears it > > > terribly. > > > So they cling to dogma, or to whatever has been > > > effective > > > in reinforcing that ego for a lifetime.  The > > > fascinating thing > > > is that the whole process, though understandable, is > > > > > > counter-intuitive.  If you cling to the ego, you > > > lose.  But if > > > you just let go and die, you win. > > > > The difference between the waking state concept of > > enlightenment (everything's going to be cake and > > fountains!) and the actuality of enlightenment > > awakening (oh my god!, this has nothing to do with > > cake and fountains or any "thing" at all, ARRRR!!!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! 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