...That took a left turn, but not an unappreciated one...funny that in a state of whatever-we-are-calling-it-these-days-I'll-settle-for-reality, not only does reality appear, in whatever manifestation, and so does enlightenment or self realization, disappear. Once we experience that the boundaries between ourselves and the "others" are blurring, all bets are off. Which is not to say we are psychotic, for we know who we are. Its just that it continues to pleasantly and inexorably expand, that nebulous "sense of self".
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > Vaj, so what you are saying is that categorically no TM/TM-Sidhi > > practitioner could ever become enlightened because the technique(s) are > > fundamentally flawed. So all reports of enlightenment experiences are > > either lies are conditions of mind? > > Since everything out there is the product and perception/appreciation of the > conditioned mind, and is a lie (in that it is not substantive), well, yes. > > Enlightenment IS a pretty funny concept. The concept posits bondage > (addiction is another word, but one that appears to freak people out)to > impermanent mind states and outer structures. Yet the latter is a mirage. > > AS IF there is a bondage reality and an enlightened reality! > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/2/11, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > From: Vaj <vajradhatu@> > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 3:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 2, 2011, at 2:43 PM, emptybill wrote: > > It would be so much easier for you if your would write and then store on > > your computer a simple statement that TM practitioners cannot and will > > never become "enlightened".You could also throw around a couple of phrases > > like "nitya-samadhi" or "bhava samadhi" and categorically deny that these > > states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even > > opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in > > laya during meditation. Any TM-er claiming to do so then automatically > > becomes a layin yogi like Maharishi.Why don't you write it up now? It would > > be so very good-ol' buddi-suttwa of you.It would be easier to point to the > > science done on yogis in turitatita and then show a brief synopsis of the > > physiological changes in long-term TMers. > > My fave was when the TM Org issued press releases on their long waited for > > CC'er: he'd been found and they had the EEG's to prove it! > > And then the Enlightened One left, finding out he had a rare type of sleep > > disorder that kept him from falling completely asleep! > > > > I say give 'em more rope and watch them hang themselves; I mean it's > > endlessly entertaining and chronic narcissism is relatively harmless. > > >
