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> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <no_reply@>
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> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > categorically deny that these states of consciousness are
> > > > > > > possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM
> > > > > > > practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya
> > > > > > > during meditation.>
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> > > > > Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining
> > > > > hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation
> > > > > without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the
> > > > > ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen
> > > > > and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by
> > > > > definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a
> > > > > meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture).
> > > > > Could they ever get together on something larger?
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> > > > It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and
> > > > ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is
> > > > good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it
> > > > should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public
> > > > schools for good reasons of neurophysiology.
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> > > Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's
> > > been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West
> > > marketing meditation in the meditation market-place.
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> > It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's
> > experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds
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> The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually.
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Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could
mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual
group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in
the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee
(Quakers).
> > > > > > > Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya'
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> > > > > > > by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in
> > > > > > > cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's
> > > > > > > heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning:
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> > > > > > Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like,
> > > > > > 'bull-shit'?
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> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
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