> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > categorically deny that these states of consciousness are > > > > > > > > > > possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM > > > > > > > > > > practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge > > > > > > > > > > in laya during meditation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other > > > > > > > > joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value > > > > > > > > of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. > > > > > > > > Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are > > > > > > > > saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are > > > > > > > > arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in > > > > > > > > practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no > > > > > > > > good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever > > > > > > > > get together on something larger? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's funny, each given their own experience, could > > > > > > > ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a > > > > > > > joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not > > > > > > > only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for > > > > > > > instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons > > > > > > > of neurophysiology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? > > > > > > It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the > > > > > > West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's > > > > > experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and > > > > > minds of the meditation market. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking > > > > spiritually. > > > > > > > > > > Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people > > > could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another > > > spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in > > > meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends > > > Service Committee (Quakers). > > > > > > > I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything > > from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps > would > > not allow for it. > > Om Sweet Jesus, could we not get the antagonists at least to stop shooting at > each other? > Agree to a ceasefire? > > > Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of > the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin > (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the > equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on > Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, > extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly > twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. > > > > Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw > >
In peace we could arrange a meeting between the chief deniers on both sides? You know, meditation conflict resolution. Rick Archer manifestly is good at moderating. He knows the territory. In the name of a lasting peace, let's offer to have Rick mediate a meditation meeting between Vaj (U. of Wisc.) and the Prime Minister of the Global Country for World Peace, Bevan (MUM) together to find common ground. Coming together in a Unified Field. Let us go together, Be together, know our minds to be alike. Let there be peace between the meditations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' > > > > > > > > > > pronounced > > > > > > > > > > by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= > > > > > > > > > > a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' > > > > > > > > > > (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, > > > > > > > > > 'bull-shit'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
