Thanks Sal, I know your feelings on TM. However the message seemed good enough, at least the one you responded to. It was only in a later message that "giveabighand" mentioned something about saving the world. I agree on some parts like saving the world, reducing the crime and so on, but I don't think "Laziness is healthy" is implied. Sit lazily to quieten the mind is a well known technique and doesn't imply laziness. Even Osho who I admire criticized TM as a sedative, however I don't take him seriously on that one - I believe even a false technique can lead you to great heights as long as the seeker is sincere and earnest.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@...> wrote: > > Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ > TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes > for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness > is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ > for so long with zero evidence to support any of the > grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out > what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, > yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't > remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see > no credible evidence that TM is anything more than > a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any > other claims get immediately filtered out by ye > olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers > who push this stuff can't even lower the crime > rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. > Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. > White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. > > On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: > > I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: > > > > I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this > > thing called a brain which usually allows > > me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. > > YMMV. > > > > On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: > > > > I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, "sit lazily." I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this "sit lazily" thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! > > > > You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. > > > > Works for me. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> wrote: > >> > >> On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: > >> > >>> The Experience of Bliss > >>> Humboldt, 1970 > >>> > >>> Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? > >>> > >>> MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. > >> > >> "In other words, since you are asking a question > >> that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, > >> I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope > >> that that "answers" your question. And if it > >> doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking > >> me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple > >> of my German friends escort you to the door. It > >> is all good, yes?" > >> > >>>> Question: Doesn't anything come before this? > >>> > >>> > >>> MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. > >>> > >>> It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. > >>> > >>> In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. > >>> > >>> From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. > >>> > >>> And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness.... > >>> > >>> When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. > >>> > >>> But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just > >>>> be.... > >> > >> "And if I just keep droning on and on like this, > >> hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) > >> that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't > >> shut up. Because you see, when I get a question > >> that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already > >> have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. > >> Next!" > >> > > >
