--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If you have to ask how people know these things, it really > > > > > doesn't speak very well of TM, does it? > > > > > > > > Scientific research that this isn't moodmaking? > > > > > > Some people haven't been trained to distrust their > > > own experience. > > > > Heh. SOme people are wiser than others. > > Wiser? >
Did you not notice that I never defined who was wiser than whom? > Let's analyze that, shall we? Suppose that tomorrow you > sit to meditate, have a clear, unmistakable experience of > transcendence (pure consciousness, samadhi, whatever > you want to call it), and then it doesn't go away. You get > up and the same exact phenomenon is there as you enter > into your activity, coexistent with your activity. It doesn't > go away for weeks, or months, or years. It is there pretty > much at all times, whether you are awake, in deep sleep > or are dreaming. > > So. Are you experiencing CC, as Maharishi has defined it? > > The only "evidence" you have is subjective. As you are > probably the first to point out, there is NO "scientific" criterion > that could be used to verify or not verify your subjective > experience. If one exists, it certainly hasn't been found yet. > > So the question arises -- do you continue to doubt your own > subjective experience, or do you accept it as valid? > > THIS is the gateway to enlightenment, Lawson. Everyone > who has EVER realized enlightenment has had to walk > through it, and had to make the decision to trust their own > subjective experience more than they trust objective "fact" > or someone *else's* subjective opinion. > > I wish you luck when this happens to you, but I suspect > you'll need it. Your consistent approach here is to doubt > *anyone's* subjective experience in favor of the opinion of > either an outside "authority" or in favor of some kind of > scientific validation. > > At this point, no such "validation" or "authority" would be > *possible* for you if you realized your enlightenment > tomorrow. No one in the TM organization whom you have > access to could, or would, "authorize" your experience and > say what it was, one way or another. No scientific "test" > exists to "validate" it one way or another. You're on your > own, just as most enlightened beings in the history of the > human race have been. > > Good luck. When the time comes, I hope you've managed > to change your definition of "wise," and become a bit wiser. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
