LOL..it would be fun watching that loser.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Rav, I hope you don't take offense at this, and I know this is real
life
> serious stuff, but I think this could have the makings of a good
Indian
> Soap Opera, or maybe a Reality Show.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > There will be always a cult of followers who would take the words of
a
> > teacher literally, but why should it cause us to completely negate
the
> > concept of a teacher and the importance of a belief.
> > I was married to a cult follower. It was because of her that I was
> > introduced to spirituality and my teacher, she took everything
> > literally, used spirituality, astrology to paint me as "low vibe"
> > "slimeball" materialist. Anyone else would have formed strong
opinions
> > against spirituality, teachers - however my teacher's love
unknowingly
> > bound me. Her attacks initially caused me to aggressively defend
> myself,
> > cause a lot of pain and self-doubt. In spite of her
"I-Am-Rightedness"
> I
> > was intelligent and intuitive enough to not discard spirituality.
With
> > my own samskaras and the guru's grace I took greater interest and
> found
> > the real value of spirituality, that was beyond any belief, in me.
> > So this "I-Am-Rightedness" person, who caused me pain, torment was
my
> > real Guru, her aggressive behavior was a blessing in disguise, since
> it
> > caused me to protect myself, my samskaras, my innate strengths. It
led
> > me on a path of incredible journey to find the real value of
> > spirituality. From a spiritual perspective any person who causes us
> > grief, pain, discomfort is indeed the real Guru.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > What is there about the I-Am-RIGHT mindset that seems to --
> > historically
> > > -- go hand in hand with developing a cult of followers? It's as if
> the
> > > only clear "career path" presented by the traditional spiritual
path
> > is
> > > to 1) listen to your teachers, 2) believe everything they say and
do
> > > exactly what they say, 3) get all enlightened yourself by
following
> > > their advice, and then 4) set up shop for yourself and re-run the
> same
> > > movie, but with you playing the role of the teacher this time.
> > >
> > > If the seeming certainty of the I-Am-RIGHT mindset is so certain,
> why
> > do
> > > those who wear that mindset often seem so anxious to get other
> people
> > to
> > > mirror it back to them by gazing at them with reverence and
> adulation
> > > and saying, "Dude-ji, you are SO RIGHT?"
> > >
> > > I mean, not meaning to be disrespectful or anything, but haven't
you
> > > ever noticed that many spiritual teachers tend to be a
> > > little...uh...needy? If they're so enlightened and all, why do
they
> > need
> > > all these followers hanging around them saying or thinking 24/7
"You
> > are
> > > SO RIGHT?" And have you ever noticed a tendency in these same
> teachers
> > > to...uh...not react gracefully when one of the students says, "Now
> > wait
> > > a minute...there is a point here I am not convinced you are RIGHT
> > about.
> > > Can we talk about that a bit?"
> > >
> > > My feeling is that the big problem with the four-step spiritual
> career
> > > path I delineate above is in step #2. There is no need to believe
> > > everything your spiritual teacher says is true or to do everything
> he
> > > says to benefit from studying with him. I doubt you did that with
> your
> > > high-school teachers or college professors; why do it with your
> > > spiritual teachers? Furthermore, I would suggest that being
brought
> up
> > > in a spiritual environment in which #2 is assumed to be true tends
> to
> > > "set up" new generations of seekers to expect that *for
themselves*
> > when
> > > they get all enlightened. Other people, they come to believe,
should
> > > just be able to see the I-Am-RIGHTness radiating off of them -- as
> > they
> > > did with their teacher -- and automatically believe everything
they
> > say
> > > and do exactly what they're told to do.
> > >
> > > I'm thinkin' that my spiritual career path is fucked up, because
it
> > > perpetuates the myth of the mindset of I-Am-RIGHTness always being
> > > right. I am not convinced that it is always right. I think, in
fact,
> > > that we can safely dump not only step #2 but step #4. There are
much
> > > more interesting things in life one can do post-realization than
go
> > off
> > > and become Yet Another Spiritual Teacher.
> > >
> >
>
