--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > > Eventually, absolutely. I am convinced that one of > > the key elements involved in realization of one's > > own > > enlightenment involves making that jump from > > trusting > > others more than one trusts one's own perceptions to > > > > trusting one's own perceptions more than one trusts > > others. > > > > Others can comment if they'd like. One's mileage > > may, > > of course, vary on this subject, but I'd suspect > > that > > those here who have experienced awakenings would > > tend > > to agree that a certain level of self-trust is > > neces- > > sary for the realization to happen in the first > > place > > and then to sustain itself. It'll be interesting to > > see what people here think of this question. > > I think this self-trust thing in regard to realization > is a bit off. Trust is an emotional/mental assumptive > act. You have to trust when there is doubt for > whatever reason. It's hard to doubt your own > experience, even in waking state. But doubting "pure > existence" itself is even more difficult! To say I > doubt my own existence is a bit of a paradox, of > course, because prior to doubting is existence. So you > can't doubt that "you are." You can doubt any > experience, but not that. Now to inquire into who this > "you" is will bring about some interesting results! > > But more importantly doubt/no doubt has to do with > mind. Realization is outside of mind. It is not an > experience within any objective or subjective domain. > When mind trys to look at pure consciousness like some > kind of object, it completely flattens and disappears. > This question of doubt assumes that realization is > some sort of experience. Realization is not an > experience. Realization is not an intellectual act, > although the intellect can be used as a tool to > discriminate to what is profoundly self-evident. To > doubt realization is a mental act only and has nothing > to do with realization. Doubt of "one's" realization > only occurs because of very, very long standing mental > habits that force the mind to say, "Is this it? Is > this it?" It's like standing outside in the rain and > asking, "Is it raining?" Sometimes the mind needs to > hear someone say," It's raining!" and this destroys > the mental habit, the bondage to mind. >
I think my response was a tad more succinct: > So you're convinced its a situation with which I would have to deal? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
