--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@...> wrote: > > * * All kulturkampf and kidding aside, TWB shows me that he understands, > appreciates, makes love to, IS the unspeakable and unthinkable core of who I > AM in a radically fundamental way that you and Curtis at this moment, as > lovable and charming and delightful and sincere and appreciative and > psychologically mature as you certainly are, do not.
Bingo ! :-) It never stops amazing me how some souls continue, as if forever, to critizise yogis whose words and meanings obviously escapes them. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > My opinion? Tat Wale Baba now knows you were right, Curtis. No > > oneanywherecan refute the essential argument you have made here. All FFL > > readers who read your post and wish to discover where the flaw is in your > > critique of TWB (because of their feeling of loyalty to the Hindu > > metaphysic), will come up against something which eliminates any sense of > > true inspiration and grace to do this. In the deepest part of them, > > everyone (from the West at least) who carefully follows you in your > > analysis of TWB's disquisition recognizes: I cannot go deeper than Curtis > > here: I must hold onto my Hindu bias (as classically represented in what > > TWB says) out of mere faith; for the conviction density of realness inside > > Curtis's rebuttal defeats whatever supposed realness lies inside the words > > and consciousness of Tat Wale Baba. > > > > It is the only thing I have ever read that might have even caused even me > > (in say 1975) intellectual and physiological vertigo. Because I would have > > (I have to believe this) recognized someone standing up for what is real > > against what, in comparison, comes off as unreal. > > > > I have rejoined the Church of Curtis after thisin a manner of speaking. > > The existential scientistnever met one before. There simply exists no > > argument, and never has been, that could defeat the argument you have made > > here. It is the sanity of the West. I wish every seeker of Eastern wisdom > > (at least of the Maharishi variant) could read this. It wouldyou won't go > > along with this at allprepare them for the shock of dying, because all of > > what you say here has to be part of that ultra-sane moment. > > > > The soul of Tat Wale Baba experienced anguish and sorrow when he read > > Curtis's post. Because he knew: Goddamn: this guy is right. Now how did I > > (TWB) ever get taken on this trip? I should have attended on of *his* > > (CDB's) lectures; then I might have had a life. > > > > Yeah, you have a life, Curtis. At the risk of offending most everyone at > > FFL: Tat Wale Baba, by definition of his philosophy did not have, and could > > not have, a life. > > > > I have on online subscription to the New Yorker. I wonder why some of your > > pieces are not included there. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > No he diii ent! Curtis didn't try to pick apart the holy wisdom of the > > > Tater Tat and reduce it to his own limited and shrieklingly unenlightened > > > perspective, as if he and Tat were sharing a stage with Maury Povich. And > > > he starts it all off with the classic line "you don't know me, you don't > > > know me..." Oh no he diii ent! > > > > > > Till he did. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > "What is the aim of all the beings? It is the attainment of infinite > > > > happiness. A life free from suffering, and the attainment of eternal > > > > happiness is what we want. > > > > > > No, no and no. This is the dream of an idiot or a young person who has > > > not lived enough to know how to get the most out of life. Infinite > > > happiness is as stupid as a goal as having infinite sunshine. I dig the > > > sun. I really do. But it was the setting of the sun that allowed me to > > > watch the moon rise tonight. I like all sorts of things that at an > > > infinite level would destroy my creative life. Infinite happiness is one > > > of them. Don't want it, don't need it, and frankly think it is an > > > unreliable claim since I have seen even guys like Maharishi more pissed > > > of than I ever get, more unhappy, and radiating it out of his king baby > > > persona. It is not only unattainable, it would be a disaster if it was. > > > It is dilaudid to a creative live which thrives on contrast. And most of > > > my growth is preceded by me at first uttering the line "oh shit!." That > > > is cuz we resist the very challenges that make us grow sometimes. > > > > > > Now, we should discriminate and analyze if there > > > > is anything in the world which can give us permanent, eternal happiness. > > > > > > > > > No we really shouldn't. This assumptive idea is so thin. It is flawed > > > from inception. It is not the way to get the most out of life. It is a > > > junkie's dream of a great life. > > > > > > > > > > From the ant up to the giant of the Creator, all are in the field of > > > > change, > > > > that is, relative values. Infinite happiness can only come from > > > > something > > > > which could be immortal, non-changing, eternal. This which is the goal > > > > of > > > > everything, this infinite, is our own Self. And in order to experience > > > > that > > > > Self which is the basis of all, we don't have to seek, we don't have to > > > > search, we don't have to make efforts. It's there, present everywhere. > > > > Wherever you are, in whatever reign of time or place, that Self is > > > > there - > > > > wherever we are in whatever time. Only, we have to take our awareness to > > > > that level and that is it. Having forgotten that level of life, we are > > > > seeking for that > > > > eternal happiness. That Self is. It is being and it is blissful. Having > > > > forgotten that, we now are seeking for it. We have forgotten what we > > > > ourselves are and we're trying to find that in the world. As long as we > > > > don't enter into that area which is infinite happiness, free from > > > > suffering, > > > > so long we will not be free from suffering and we will not get into that > > > > eternal happiness. There is no happiness of significant nature in the > > > > world; > > > > the child is gone, and the youth is gone, and the man is old, and even > > > > then > > > > he is not fulfilled in the world. When he gets established in the Self, > > > > then > > > > automatically freedom from suffering and attainment of bliss will be > > > > there. > > > > > > There are so many assumptive concepts here. Know your self is not a > > > simple instruction. It presupposes so many perspectives of what our > > > "self" means. I no longer share the view proposed my Maharishi's > > > Hinduism. Any description of my self that does not lead with my personal > > > "relative" qualities is not me. The silent part of my mind is not the > > > interesting part, to me or to others. > > > > > > > > > > > "That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there > > > > already. > > > > Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our > > > > awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You > > > > don't > > > > have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent bliss, > > > > satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have > > > > come by > > > > now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not. > > > > > > Another annoying assumption along the lines of "you are not saved." His > > > only creative passion seems to be himself. If he had an artistic > > > creative focus, or any other number of things that people devote their > > > lives to like research, he might find that badmouthing > > > "avenues in the world" was misplaced. > > > > > > There are plenty of people who do not jump out of bed in the morning with > > > the excitement of what they can engage in that day to further their goals > > > and dreams. Some of them never leave their caves and just imagine how > > > the rest of us live, uncharitably. I would love for him to join me in my > > > day. He might find out that it ain't so bad out here and that his > > > internal mind state is really NOT the most fascinating thing in the > > > universe. > > > > > > Therefore, that > > > > which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the > > > > outside. > > > > > > Are we still giving out "you are profound stickers for this lame-o rap?" > > > > > > > > > > And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs; Christians > > > > or > > > > Muslims or Hindus. > > > > > > No, it is a Hindu concept of Self he is pitching and not being much of a > > > reader, he doesn't know what he doesn't know. > > > > > > > > > That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you have to > > > > know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we experience > > > > in > > > > the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal being > > > > which > > > > is our own Self. > > > > > > Then get off our backs about our happiness. It is all the Self anyway > > > right? So why assume that our self is somehow deficient in a way that he > > > imagines his is not. Again, very, "I am saved but you are not". > > > > > > > If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine.> > > > > > > > > > Cool, I'll take this option if it will shut you up for a minute. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our > > > > awareness > > > > deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the > > > > Self, > > > > so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to day > > > > life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining > > > > in > > > > the world we will live contentment. > > > > > > Let me guess. You are talking with a bunch of young people whose natural > > > agitation leads them to feeling unsettled in the world. This is their > > > natural, appropriate state as they try a bunch of shit to find their way > > > in the world. Check back with them in their 40's and upwards. They will > > > be just as self assured as you are. > > > > > > > > > And, it's not a matter of detaching > > > > ourselves from the world. > > > > > > I'm thinking Maharishi might have thrown this in for his translation. I > > > mean seriously, how would this guy know if it works without detaching > > > yourself from the world, unless your world is the longest dreadlock > > > growing competition. > > > > > > Only, we have to know It, and having known It, > > > > then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced as > > > > manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is just a > > > > matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It. > > > > > > > > "Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we have > > > > known that element of the Self, then we have really used this wonderful > > > > diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable of > > > > giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have wasted > > > > that gift of diamond. > > > > > > Can I add that if you have not mastered a musical instrument in this > > > life, given our wonderful nervous system, you have also wasted your life? > > > Or let's reduce it down to, "If you don't see things as I do then your > > > life is a waste." > > > > > > > > > We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous > > > > system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this > > > > relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. > > > > > > What you talk'n about, "petty enjoyment"? Helping a child unfold their > > > learning potential is a changing thing but it is far from petty. There > > > are a million careers that rise above this low bar of judgement. I got > > > yer infinite bliss right heagh! (insert hand gesture) > > > > > > And, we > > > > will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or in > > > > the > > > > next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the > > > > assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it quickly. > > > > Why> postpone?" > > > > > > Cuz you haven't made your case that you are in some desirable state. In > > > fact other than Maharishi telling us he was enlightened, we have no > > > evidence that he isn't another super religious guy spouting super > > > religious beliefs like the guy who tried to save me this weekend. (That > > > went well.) The whole "I am London" is as smartass as it is self-serving. > > > > > > So we are left with a guy living an odd lifestyle proclaiming that he has > > > it all figured out. A guy in a cave. And for all his talk about his own > > > superior state of bliss I know from a friend who tried to fetch him to > > > visit Maharishi in Rishikesh after his first visits that he was suffering > > > from cataracts, refused Maharishi's invitation and testily said "If > > > Maharishi wants to see me, he can come here." I guess he got sick of > > > being summoned like a side show in Maharishi's foreign money funneling > > > circus. So he sounds more like everyone's Uncle Mort than the guy who > > > has discovered the secrets of whatever. > > > > > > "So Mr' bigshot Maharishi wants me to walk on that crappy path again with > > > my cataracts and my hemorrhoids to his little palace because what, my > > > cave is not good enough for him? What am I chopped liver here? And I > > > know he is banging that little hottie on his veranda while I sit here in > > > my water dripping cave with the spiders and the biting flies and the > > > scorpions. oy vey, the other day I saw a snake! I almost soiled my loin > > > cloth. So you tell Mr. Guru of the ...what was their names again, > > > boaters...buttplugs...no Beatles...that's it, that if he wants some of my > > > stand up routine he can show up here at my joint with a two lassie > > > minimum for my set. (I am thinking of re-working that London line to > > > "Madam, I am Hackensack. Any city in New Jersey makes a line funnier!) > > > > > > Oh yeah, I may need a drum roll here: > > > > > > In the end, "London" pumped 5 rifle slugs in the guy's back. Anyone who > > > still thinks he was in tune with the universe and was God's big buddy has > > > the same low bar for friendship that Christians have accepting what he > > > did to his own son. With friends like that who needs enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tat Wale Baba > > > > Translated from Hindi by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > > http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap5d.html > > > > > > > > > >
