I think it would require 8000 'Guru Devs' in order to have a real World effect, then, they would actually be functioning from the 'home of all the laws of nature', IMHO. (And not just a faint awareness of it, which is significant but not enough in itself).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Just as a followup, I'd love to hear someone -- anyone -- try to make a > rational case, based on real, accepted science, for how it could be > actually *true* that a few people, grunting and bouncing on their butts > in some padded room, could produce world peace. I don't think you can do > it. > > What I expect those who respond to do is to try to trot out all the > rationalizations for this bit of crazy trotted out by TMO Maharishi > apologists *after the fact*, after he had already proclaimed it to be > truth. The proclamation came first. And for most, that was all that was > necessary. Whatever he said WAS by definition truth, because of the > magic word "Maharishisez." > > But, knowing that they'd now have to go out and convince sane people of > the truth of this bit of insanity, then the apologists "piled on" to > create rational-sounding "explanations" for the obviously irrational. > The quantum bullshitters dug into esoteric phenomena that have no > relevance to anything *except* on a quantum level and tried to use > bullshit theory to baffle the easily baffled. Then the social scientists > started to gather data, carefully cherry-pick and massage it, and make > it look as if the results were actually caused by what they "knew" to be > the real cause. And again, they "knew" this in advance, because of the > magic word "Maharishisez." It could never even *occur* to them that he > might be wrong, or worse, bat shit crazy, because that possibility > couldn't enter their heads. Therefore the "proof" that what he'd said > was true MUST be out there, and it was their job *as* apologists to > either invent it as quantum bullshit theories or "prove" it by faking or > massaging data. > > I'd just like to see someone forget that all these apologetics were ever > trotted out and try to come up with a rational, real-world-science > explanation for how they think the ME could possibly work. No woo woo, > no New Age BS, no quantum bullshit. Just everyday, accepted science. I > wait with 'bated breath for your attempts. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > The sense of near-desperation with which some on this forum are hoping > > that Oprah is the "new Merv" and that TM is finally on the upswing > again > > left me thinking about its past, and trying to pinpoint where it all > > went wrong. Many have speculated on this forum about what that "phase > > transition moment" was, the point at which it all began to unravel and > > go downhill. For many (including luminaries like Charlie Lutes and > Jerry > > Jarvis), that point was the introduction of the TM-Sidhi program. Me, > I > > have a different theory, and I'm going to rap about it in a little > > mini-essay today. Be warned...this may be a little long (although not > > the length of Robin's epics), and it may piss a few people off. But > it's > > what I honestly believe. > > > > I cannot pinpoint the exact day or month or year in which TMers went > > officially bat shit crazy (some TM historian type here may be able to > do > > that for us), because I'd already left before it happened. But I can > > pinpoint its nature, and what was said -- and believed -- that caused > > everything after that point to be a loony bin. It's the day that > > Maharishi first tried to convince people that bouncing on their butts > on > > slabs of foam in a big room full of other butt-bouncers could end > crime, > > change the weather, and bring about world peace. > > > > This pronouncement almost certainly predated the term "Maharishi > > Effect," which was invented later to glorify his pronouncement, and > > "scientific data" made up to make it seem true. But from my point of > > view the fact that ANYONE believed this spiel for even an instant > > signifies the "phase transition point" from relative sanity to total > > madness. > > > > Try it yourself by performing your own scientific experiment. Go out > > onto the street and pick someone at random, and tell them several > things > > that you believe. First, tell them what you heard when you first > learned > > TM -- that it was good for you, and that the deep rest enabled you to > > function more efficiently and with less stress. You will probably get > a > > general agreement with this. Then say that it is your belief, based on > > scriptures and reported historical instances and such, that some > humans > > can develop special powers and abilities (the siddhis) that others > have > > not, and possibly even levitate. No one's likely to call you crazy for > > this, because it is after all a matter of belief, and is no weirder > > after all than believing in a heaven filled with angels playing harps > or > > that Christ walked on water. > > > > But now tell them that you believe that a number of people as special > as > > yourself generate so much Woo Woo by grunting and bouncing around on > > their butts on slabs of foam that THEY CAN CREATE WORLD PEACE, all by > > themselves, with no further action needed. My bet is that the > strangers > > you've selected for this experiment are going to start edging away > from > > you nervously, if not actually running down the street away from you. > > The very idea is absurd, and based on a level of self-importance that > > most people on the planet associate only with full-blown insanity. > > > > As I've said, I'd left the TMO before Maharishi ever started talking > > about this. If I'd still been there I would have laughed in his face > and > > walked out of the room, never to return. So I find it difficult to > > imagine people listening to it and being SO self-absorbed and > > self-important that they actually bought it. > > > > The TM-Sidhis were originally introduced as a means to an end, a way > to > > speed up the enlightenment process. There was not a WORD about what > > performing them might do for anyone else. That only came later, after > a > > number of people had actually learned the siddhis and (surprise!) > > neither siddhis nor enlightenment had appeared. The whole original > > "selling point" of getting people to pay thousands of dollars to learn > > them had been revealed to be false. So Maharishi had to do *something* > > to try to get people to keep doing them, and to entice new people to > > learn them. > > > > Voila. The "group consciousness" thang. What began as mere pragmatism > > (finding a room somewhere and chipping in to get a discount on slabs > of > > foam rather than each person buying some for their own home) was > turned > > into an exercise in Woo Woo. "Doing program" in a group was presented > as > > being Good In Itself. You were "off the program" if you *didn't* do > your > > program in a group. Hierarchies were invented to make the > butt-bouncers > > "higher" and more important than "mere meditators." Dogma was invented > > about how powerful the group Woo Woo was, and how its peace-causing > > properties were even more important than individual enlightenment. > This > > proved an easy sell to the gullible, because their own experience had > > already shown them that neither real flying nor enlightenment were > right > > around the corner. They believed the insanity being told to them and > > shifted their allegiance to altruism and "doing it for the world." > > > > That's my theory of The Day It All Changed. Maybe someone here was > > around *on* that day, and can pinpoint when they first heard it. Maybe > a > > few of you can try to explain why you chose to believe it. As I've > said, > > I was long gone by that time, and was so distanced from the TMO and > its > > craziness that I didn't even know this "dogma shift" had taken place > > until I heard about it years later on groups like > > alt.meditation.transcendental. People started talking about the > > "Maharishi Effect" as if it were a real thing and as if everyone > should > > know what they were talking about, and I had no clue. When they > > explained it to me I remember laughing for about fifteen minutes at > what > > I'd heard, and how bat shit crazy it was. > > > > I honestly think that's the day everything shifted over into total bat > > shit craziness. MORE bat shit crazy followed, such as being terrified > to > > enter a building from the wrong direction and people paying a million > > dollars to dress in robes and crowns and call themselves kings of an > > imaginary country, but the "phase transition moment" for me was that > day > > when Maharishi announced that bouncing on your butts on slabs of foam > > could bring about world peace. And people were so gullible, so > > guru-whipped, and so in need of something to feel self important about > > that they believed it. > > >
