Wait, wait...I want to lash out angrily too, all TB bat-shit crazy, Supposedly Enlightened and obsessed with Barry (Yo, Turq, did I get all of my labels right?):
Again, Barry ignores all of the glaring inconsistencies with Freddy and only mentions much smaller ones wrt Maharishi. My take is that Lenz has made Barry so confused, one minute calling him his favorite fair haired boy and the next castigating him or pushing his buttons, that Barry doesn't even know what to think about Freddy, as he has said here before. So he deflects it towards Maharishi. Barry's posts should be featured in Psychology Monthly, as examples of one messed up cult follower. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > <snip> > > What I've found interesting since starting this thread > > is that no one -- not even the near-professional apol- > > ogists on this forum -- have attempted *to* create a > > rational explanation for how bouncing on their butts > > creates world peace. Most have just gone the "kill the > > messenger" route and attempted to lash out at the > > person who pointed out (correctly) how absurd it is. > > I'm going to "attempt to lash out" at Barry too and > point out that while it's correct to say that the > claim that "bouncing on their butts creates world > peace" is indeed absurd, it isn't the claim that is > actually made, and Barry knows this. He has grossly > distorted the claim to *make* it absurd, so his > demand for a "rational explanation" is disingenous > in the extreme. (How badly he messed up the *history* > is another issue for another post.) > > When the messenger delivers a false message, as > Barry has done, he should expect to be killed > (metaphorically, of course). Complaining about it as > if it *weren't* to be expected is yet another layer > of disingenuity. > > There's a perfectly good *metaphysical* explanation > for why large-group practice of the TM-Sidhis > techniques might foster world peace, and Barry knows > this too. If he wanted to assert that the explanation > is absurd because metaphysics, in his worldview, is > absurd, that would be an honest comment on its own > terms. > > Except that when you look at Barry's explanations for > Lenz's various purportedly miraculous feats--levitation > and golden light and so on--as taking place in an > "alternate reality," it's clear that Barry's worldview > does *not* hold metaphysics to be absurd. > > So that wouldn't be an "out" for him. And he'd have a > very hard time arguing that his metaphysical > explanation for Lenz's feats was somehow "better" or > more reasonable than the metaphysical explanation > for why large-group TM-Sidhis practice might create > world peace. At least there's a fairly detailed > rationale for the Maharishi Effect, whereas his just > flatly asserts the existence of an "alternate reality" > in which some people can operate (himself included, of > course)and others can't. > > And given that premise, it makes him look pretty > silly when he mocks TMers' purported "specialness." > > The attempt by TM scientists to come up with a quasi- > scientific explanation for the metaphysical premise > of the TM-Sidhis is a whole 'nother issue. I don't > think any of us here are knowledgeable enough about > quantum mechanics or string theory either to challenge > their explanation, *or* to evaluate the validity of > the challenges to it that have been made by the few > scientists to address it. So that pretty much remains > moot. > > Final point: As to why "bouncing on their butts creates > world peace" is a gross distortion of the claim for the > Maharishi Effect, both world peace and butt-bouncing > are, according to the metaphysical explanation, > *products* of practice of the TM-Sidhis. The latter is > not said to be the *cause* of the former. The cause of > both is held to be what TM-Sidhis practitioners do in > their heads when they practice the techniques. > > 'Nuff said. Barry would like to claim a great victory > for himself here as the exponent of rationality, but > as is so often the case, when he "wins," he does so > only in his own mind, by cheating. > > And now he cheats again: > > > In the Rama trip, about the worst I saw was an attempt > > to say that his frequent attempt to make predictions > > were always correct, the result of correct "seeing" or > > psychic abilities. > > Notice he doesn't mention Lenz's "alternate reality" > feats. > > <snip> > > People are funny. Having invested heavily in something > > or someone (especially when that emotional and intellec- > > tual investment is accompanied by a heavy financial > > investment), they'll tend to do almost *anything* to > > avoid dealing with the possibility that they might have > > made a mistake, or just been gullible. The only unusual > > aspect of that phenomenon in the TMO is *how long* many > > people have persisted in doing it, and how upset they > > get when someone points it out. > > A magnificent example of Barry's mastery of inadvertent > irony, given his own gullibility about Lenz's feats, > which he persists in maintaining many years later, even > after Lenz's ignominious suicide. >
