--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Irmeli:It is a fact that MMY is publicly seen this way. I have
difficulties even mentioning my friends that I'm involved in a chat
group where TMO also presents itself and its agendas, so bad is its
reputation.
Sparaig:So bad is your opinion, you mean. I'm happy to go on ANY chat
group,including sci.skeptic, and other technical groups, as well as
any spiritually oriented group, and argue on behalf of MMY and the
TMO, despite the TMO's obvious silliness at times. In my own mind, at
least, I win the arguments. Perhaps you're more honest with yourself
about who "wins," or perhaps you're so ashamed of your own
involvement that you let any fool sway you with bogus arguments.
Irmeli:It is not just my opinion. Most people don't know anything
about TM. If I tell about its policies, they wonder why I bother to
put my attention on such a thing. For those spiritually oriented, who
know about it, mentioning TM often creates in them a quite a negative
blurt out. Many of those may have got their spiritual awakening
through TM in the 70's and they appreciate that, but then they add
that they are much happier in their present spiritual organization and
don't want to have anything to do with TMO. I have been more open
towards TMO, and still am, even if I too am active in other
organizations. I cannot defend TMO in those situations, because I
understand their criticism to be valid. I seldom mention TM or TMO
nowadays, because I don't want to get involved in those discussions.
I highly appreciate openness and honesty. And I have had all my life a
strong tendency to critically evaluate things and people, myself
included. When writing, `winning' is not the ultimate motivator for
me, rather discussing, sharing thoughts and ideas and hoping that we
together come to more clarity about complicated issues.
Here at FFL a lot of deep fine understanding gets expressed. Mostly I
comment only, when I disagree with something and feel a kind of
emotional stirring inside. That may create an impression of me that is
more negative and angry than the reality is.
Irmeli: How do you think MMY has earned that kind of reputation?
Reputation has to be earned, hasn't it?
Sparaig:Not really.
Irmeli:This I find to be very odd thinking. Could you elaborate on this?
Irmeli: Dalai Lama has managed to create a good reputation. Have you
any idea why?
Sparaig:Because he doesn't make any claims at all, and just plays the
guru game while gathering political support for his government in exile.
Irmeli: Are you capable of appreciating and respecting the work of any
other contemporary spiritual leader than MMY, or any other spiritual
organization than TMO. If you do, could you tell me which ones and why?
Irmeli: Or is this all some rude injustice from nature's side. Or
maybe people are SO STUPID and you could also blame kali yuga.
Sparaig:I just blame you.
Irmeli:Are you saying it is because of me MMY has so bad reputation?
Sparaig: You are one of the angry-at-MMY Fairfield Life posters, and
it shows.
Irmeli:And you are one of the blissful non-angry posters? Sat-yuga is
your lived reality and that reality doesn't know anger, and you are
trying benevolently to shower it upon us angry and negative posters.
Or maybe it is because of us, you are not capable of experiencing this
sat-yuga yet. And you are trying in your positive and uplifting ways
shut our mouths, from where the darkness pours out, which keeps you
steadfastly in the grips of kali-yuga.
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