> > > > > > > > > --- "Jason" <jedi_spock@> wrote: > [...] > > > > Which logically means this theoritical "Observer" has to > > > > exist outside the bubble universe. > > > > > > --- "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > IMHO, this Observer is both within and outside this universe. This could > > > be the scenario if the multiverse theory is ever proved. > > --- "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > Not really, the multiverse wouldn't have formed until the first > > definite particles appeared about 3 mins after the big bang. It > > was all a bit chaotic before that, all the forces unified - that > > sort of thing, so any observer wouldn't have existed either. > > > > > --- "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > You don't understand the Multiverse theories. Assuming an infinite universe, > there are an infinite number of exact copies of our own universe, as well as > an infinite number of slightly "off" copies as well as an infinite number of > radically different universes, all existing simultaneously *somewhere* in > THIS universe. The problem is that "universe" has two distinct meanings in > the above sentence: > > our "universe," and others like it, are local, but extremely large (by our > standards) conglomerations of space-time in a certain configuration, which we > believe came about after/due-to something called "the Big Bang." > > The "Type I Metaverse" is merely the infinite expanse of space-time in which > all "local" universes happen to exist. > > > And "observer," in Hagelin's cosmology, is anything that collapses the wave > function, not just some cosmic uber-entity. Now, Hagelin likely believes, as > do I, that there is an emergent property of the totality of these observers > throughout any and all of the metaverses that has its own consciousness, but > what that is like is impossible to say. > > L. >
It cannot be an infinite expanse of space-time because we know the local universe was tiny at the start of the big-bang and is still inflating. The expansion might eventually rip and disintegrate the local universe. The local universe itself probably behaves like a quantum particle that is existing in many states simultaneously. Some scientists say 'dark matter' is particles hidden in the fourth spatial dimension and is excerting some influence in our 3-d space. There has to be a regression of observers going all the way back to this cosmic-uber entity. If you are an onserver, then who is observing you?
