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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" <reavismarek@> wrote:
> >
> > Buck, Elias Hicks seems like a cool dude; what lessons do you draw from his
> > life and teachings? Do you feel that his Quietist doctrine is compatible
> > with your (apparently sincere) proposal to round people up for forced
> > rounding in the domes and arresting TMO leaders for not administering the
> > movement in accord with your personal thoughts? Are those positions
> > reconcilable?
> >
> > ***
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> Marek, Yes, we got (spiritual) experience, scriptural doctrine, and in modern
> times now the science is pretty evident too to justify a new public and
> spiritual policy. I know my own experience with it; however I'm open to and
> will listen to persuasion otherwise.
> What Elias Hicks did not have in his time was the science that we now have to
> defeat these broader doctrinaire religionist nuts of the world otherwise.
> However I have always taken instruction from these early Friends (Quaker)
> separations over doctrinal religion for how it goes administratively within
> the TM movement. The parallels are remarkable for how the Friends
> separations were handled in different places. The separations were always
> essentially over spiritual practice in experience v dogma of someones
> religious or social doctrine viewpoint. The Quakers for their manifest
> spiritual experience certainly got in a lot of trouble from and were targets
> of other religionists. The separations as they came to butting heads were
> of Gnostic or Quietists v rigid doctrinaire incursion in to the Society of
> Friends. The Friends meetings more simply were gatherings for group
> meditation as with the Meissner Effect (ME) as we would know it. The Friends
> organization came in to being for facilitating that group meditation
> experience as practice. The doctrinal religionists trying to suppress or
> take over the simple organization in reaction. It is still playing out
> within TM between progressive spiritual elements of the Hagelin camp on the
> one hand and a more doctrinal 'preservationist' element of the Bevan camp on
> the other hand.
> -Buck
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > A modest proposal for FFL, be still.
> > > Come to meditation.
> > >
> > >
> > > !Jai Elias Hicks!
> > >
> > > Wiki entry
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Hicks
> > >
> > >
Yeah Elias Hicks was a wisdom sage knower of reality in his time, an exponent
a generation before Emerson of 'Quietism' which then became transcendentalism
in the sequence of seers to a present time, of which TM and Fairfield are in a
line. What is going on in Fairfield is both very American and spiritual.
Here is a reminisce by Walt Whitman about Elias.
http://www2.gol.com/users/quakers/walt_whitman.htm
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> > > > > > > > > > > "Peace, be still." This command and requisition was made
> > > > > > > > > > > upon a former, occasion; and I apprehend it will apply
> > > > > > > > > > > fully to us. I believe there can be no occasion to demand
> > > > > > > > > > > it more than the present one. The comfort and improvement
> > > > > > > > > > > of this large assembly depends principally upon it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it becomes our duty individually, to labour to
> > > > > > > > > > > be still. And, in the first place, we are to still our
> > > > > > > > > > > bodies. This is a work that seems in a degree to be
> > > > > > > > > > > comprehended in our power as human and creatures; hence
> > > > > > > > > > > this is the first step. For we must always do what we
> > > > > > > > > > > can, rightly and justly; for it is by this right labour,
> > > > > > > > > > > and industry, that there is something to receive the
> > > > > > > > > > > divine blessing upon.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Peace be Still,
> > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But this is not enough, my friends,--we must endeavour to
> > > > > > > > > > have our minds still. And here is a much greater work,
> > > > > > > > > > which it is beyond the power of man to effect of himself.
> > > > > > > > > > And this shows us the necessity of individually
> > > > > > > > > > endeavouring to get our bodies still, that so we may retire
> > > > > > > > > > to that fountain of strength, which only can enable us to
> > > > > > > > > > experience our minds to be brought into stillness--into
> > > > > > > > > > silent prostration before the King of heaven, the Unified
> > > > > > > > > > Field.
> > > > > > > > > > Peace,
> > > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And we are not to stop here neither, my friends. There is
> > > > > > > > > that "little member voice, that no man," the apostle says,
> > > > > > > > > "has tamed;" although men may have tamed all the brute
> > > > > > > > > creation--and that is the tongue. It is a little voice; but,
> > > > > > > > > as he says, "it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." It
> > > > > > > > > is like a fire, "and it is set on fire of hell." Now there is
> > > > > > > > > nothing that can enable us to keep this quiet and silent, but
> > > > > > > > > as we bow in perfect submission to the divine will of Nature,
> > > > > > > > > to time manifestation of the grace of that Unified Field in
> > > > > > > > > our own souls; and without this, we cannot use it in a proper
> > > > > > > > > manner.
> > > > > > > > > Peace
> > > > > > > > > be still,
> > > > > > > > > -Buck
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> > > > > > > > "Therewith bless we the Unified Field; and therewith curse we
> > > > > > > > men, which are made after the similitude of God." And we know,
> > > > > > > > that it does happen among the children of men, that they usurp,
> > > > > > > > as it were, the throne of God, and impeach their fellow
> > > > > > > > Creatures and give sentence upon them; and, as far as the
> > > > > > > > tongue can do it, send them down to the bottomless pit of
> > > > > > > > perdition. "My brethren, these things ought not so to be." And
> > > > > > > > it is an evidence to us what state we must come to experience,
> > > > > > > > before we can effect the great purpose for which we are
> > > > > > > > assembled; which is no less, I apprehend, as to time general
> > > > > > > > motive, than to present ourselves before time Almighty Creator
> > > > > > > > of the universe, the Unified Field, the giver of every good and
> > > > > > > > perfect gift, and to wait on it, and worship it in spirit and
> > > > > > > > in truth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >
> > > > But none can worship it, till all these unruly passions, all these
> > > > disturbances and troubles, that naturally attend men and women in their
> > > > natural state, are all brought down into entire subjection to the
> > > > divine will, and until there is a complete sense of this greatness, and
> > > > of our nothingness. Here it is, that we are brought into a condition to
> > > > learn of it. For what will it avail any of us, to come and sit down
> > > > thus together, to be led, and guided, and instructed in the way of
> > > > salvation, if we do not gather into a state, whereby and wherein we
> > > > calm be instructed--into a situation in which we can hear what the
> > > > Spirit saith unto the churches? And it is my earnest desire, that we
> > > > may individually labour after this stillness; for this is the travail
> > > > that ought always to attend our minds when thus assembled together.
> > > > This leads to an experience and evidence in ourselves, of the mighty
> > > > power of the Unified Field, and of our own complete insufficiency to do
> > > > any good thing. For we must come to this evidence before we can serve
> > > > it aright; and before we can walk in the way which he has cast up for
> > > > the ransomed and redeemed to walk in--a blessed way. We must come into
> > > > this condition, in order to learn our duty, not only to God the Unified
> > > > Field our creator, but to man our fellow creature. This will open to us
> > > > all that we are to do, and instruct us in the way in which we can
> > > > answer the great end of our creation, and we shall always be ready to
> > > > glorify the Unified Field and enjoy it.
> > > > Be still,
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Hence, we see, as reasonable creatures, that every act of our lives
> > > > > > must be to this effect; and every word that we speak ought to have
> > > > > > this tendency: we ought to have our words savory, so as to minister
> > > > > > grace to the hearers, and timid even in our language and converse
> > > > > > with one another. That it may all tend to the glory and honour of
> > > > > > time great and adorable I AM, from whom we receive all our power
> > > > > > and ability to do any thing, and every blessing which we can have
> > > > > > or receive. How awful the consideration, that not only in every
> > > > > > word, but in every act, whether we meet together as at present, or
> > > > > > whether in eating, drinking, or putting on apparel, it is all to be
> > > > > > done to the glory of God. Mind it, my friends, and my dear young
> > > > > > friends!
> > > > > >-Buck, in the Dome
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <babajii_99@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For me to pray to the 'Unified Field' is so 'Dry Sounding and
> > > > > > > Cold'...
> > > > > > > I don't know where that started...
> > > > > > > Where is the 'Love' in that?
> > > > > > > The 'Compassion'?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would prefer to think of it as the 'Holy Spirit'...
> > > > > > > The Atman, The 'Soul'...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Words do have power, and to think of God as the unified field, is
> > > > > > > cold and detatched/ from love, and individual purpose and
> > > > > > > soulfulness...
> > > > > > > Just my opinion...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert
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> > > > > Yeah I know, but Baba, Buck ain't done with the sermon yet.
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