--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > feste wrote: > > What you say won't make any difference. > > > My reply: > I understand what you mean and I so much appreciate your kindness towards > me. That's how I perceive it, as kindness and caring. > > The thing is, sharing my thoughts does make a difference, a huge > difference. It makes a huge difference to me. It's important to me that I > share my experience of someone, in this case Dr. Nader, even if it doesn't > change someone else's opinion. That's not my main purpose. My main > purpose is to be true to my own experience and to express that if expression > seems like the right thing to do. In this case it does. Not that Dr. > Nader needs me to defend him. His own good heartedness and sattva or > integrity, IMO, will make him invincible in the only way we humans can be. > Through the power of love. He's very human is Dr. Nader. I wish more > people could know such goodness. > > Oy, am I sounding like a TB? In this case, I'll take that as a compliment > (-:   >
No, Share, you don't sound like a TB at all, you sound very reasonable, and I thank you for your input. You seem to be a very lovable person, who has both feet on the ground. What I say is just my impression, as an outsider so to say, it is not to dump Tony Nader. Actually, I had a similar impression like you had, at about the only occasion I saw him, at Maharishis funeral in India. Of all the people of the higher ups in TM, he made the best impression. At the time when the video came out, I was in India, I was lurking of and on at FFL, and saw some post that he has 'adopted' his civil name, and put the crown down. I didn't see the video, as I had only a very slow Internet connection there, through my phone, enough to do emails and look at websites, but not sufficient for streaming. I also liked the fact, that he goes out to do lectures, something that I have suggested here previously, because I think that this is what a leader has to do, seek connection to the base, and not live in an Ivory tower, in Vlodrop or Fairfield or wherever. And I am glad 800 people showed up in Chicago, even though I suppose many probably came from Fairfield to see him. I didn't know it was geared to the Indo American community, but it makes a lot of sense, as the Ramayana is really THEIR scripture, for them to attend to a seminary on the Ramayana would almost be a religious observance. In India typically there are so-called Rama Kathas, where the Ramayana is being recited over a period of several days, interspersed with devotional songs, expositions and commentary by a story-teller. (http://www.iiramii.net/index.html) OTOH people would rather expect some devotional singing and expositions at such events. The Ramayana is after all a story, a story that touches the heart and is geared to evoke religious feelings, provide explanations of religious rules and so on. It's supposed to explain the whole Hinduism to the people. I cannot imagine that a sort of quasi/pseudo scientific connection made with physiological parts in the body would really be of so much interest. It certainly doesn't work for the non-believer, because it is honestly pseudo science, probably totally uninteresting for non Indians/Hindus and for the believers it seems to be superfluous. It could be of some interest to people of the Indian middle class, who are on the fringe, who have lost a little bit the connection to their tradition, and are looking to reconcile a scientific model with religion. That's about the only audience I can imagine, except for TB TMers. In that sense, I don't think that Tony Naders tour is really having any type of big impact. Maybe I am a little bit disappointed, because I was imagining, that there could be an effort to rejuvenate the TM movement. If you look at Youtube, you see that by far the most clicks has 'Meeting MMY', not the lectures on Ramayana. Second in line is 'Wholeness', again not related to the Ramayana, but probably more related to the topic of enlightenment. So, when I saw his video on Maharishi, I was naturally disappointed, as you would expect a little bit more of personal insight, and maybe some juicy story. This is the person, you think, Maharishi appointed as a quasi successor, at least for the west, he weighted him in gold, he must have spend a lot of time with him, having deep personal insights, and then, in the video you get something like a groupie view on Maharishi, how he was in awe when he saw him first, and that it is really like transcending etc. If Tony is ever to take fully charge of the movement, he has to establish himself as a leader, someone who has the courage to make changes in the movement, someone who can unite the different directions in the movement, possibly can integrate some people back into the movement. For that, if he ever wanted to do it, he has to do something more. Otherwise you can look at the TMO in 10 or 20 years, when the current generation is almost completely out, and tell me what will be left of the movement. And I can attest to Feste, that he will be done with anti TMers by then, but also with TMers. > ________________________________ > From: feste37 <feste37@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > >  > You are a newcomer here Share Long so you may not realize that this forum > exists in part to attack, denigrate, and ridicule leaders of the TM movement. > What you say won't make any difference. One by one these figures come up in > this forum. First it will be Tony Nader and he is mercilessly attacked for no > good reason. Everyone just piles on because they know the group is > sympathetic to character assassination of prominent TM people. Then it will > be John Hagelin's turn. Then Bevan Morris. It happened quite recently, I > think, in just that order. There are people here with deep grudges against > the TM movement that they cannot leave behind. They cannot move on. It is > quite sad, really. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > This is the intro to the presentation he gave during his recent US tour > > which was geared to the Indo American community not already practicing > > TM.àIn Chicago alone 800 people showed up. > > > > I have found his knowledge presentations to be profound and full of > > surprising insights.àBut above and beyond all that, what comes across > > in person is a full heartedness that is even more touching given the > > responsibility he has been willing to take on. > > > > And for all his being called Maharaj, etc., to me he seems to take himself > > very lightly.àIf you know what I mean.à> > > > > > Thank you too.àI sense you were also being gentle (-: > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:19 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > I LOVE Dr. Nader.ÃâàI don't think there's a more humble, > > > compassionate person in the TMO than him. > > > > > > > Share, I am sure he is a nice, humble etc. person. But this video is really > > saying nothing, anybody wouldn't already know. It is boring. > > ________________________________ > > > From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:44 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The true story from someone who was at the deathbed of Guru Dev: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdoEduxgRsY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An elderly man talking about an event from 40 years ago where an even > > > > more elderly man talked about an event from 20 years before that. > > > > > > > > Can't beat that for overall plausibility... > > > > > > > > It also goes against ever story about the will and so on, not to > > > > mention the fact that the guy who was eventually selected to succeed > > > > Gurudev may not have even been present in the room. > > > > > > > > There were two people selected by committee to succeed GUrudev. One was > > > > appointed a few weeks after he died, and one was appointed 30 years > > > > after HE died. > > > > > > > > THe story is very convoluted and it isn't surprising that almost no-one > > > > understands all the ins and outs of the public version, letalone > > > > whatever politickin' went on behind the scenes. > > > > > > > > > > > > L. > > > > > > Lawson, the reason the story is so convoluted is that 'THEY' administered > > > drugs to him before. Here is the proof: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gbvwe-jylQ&feature=relmfu > > > > > > Either the whole story is a new viral campaign by Coca Cola (remember > > > they also appropriated Santa Claus for their marketing), or it is a > > > desperate attempt by the TMO to come up with something less boring than > > > this: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7qqddbBDo > > > > > >
