--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@...> wrote: > > If, as you say, people are married to the movement, you would think they > would be careful not to do the things that would cause friction in the > marriage. If you were to have an affair, and your wife kicked you out, whose > fault would that be? I don't think you would have much to complain about. Of > course, you might find yourself holed up in the garage with your laptop, > making cartoons showing how impossible and how wrong your wife is, and > uploading them to YouTube. Well, good luck with that! Perhaps, eventually, as > in Buck's case, your wife might take you back, somewhat grudgingly, but she > wouldn't really trust you much, would she? And who could blame her? Actions > have consequences. The rules are known. Too bad that some people think that > the rules shouldn't have to apply to them.
Great minds... I made my post before I read yours. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The examples you cite are not of people being "controlled" by the TMO. > > > They are examples of people being excluded from the dome, which is quite > > > different. No one is being controlled. People are making choices, that's > > > all. If someone excludes you from their club, do you feel "controlled"? > > > > Depends, if the club is the place where I live my life, and if the club > > makes demands on my life style, and quite possible on my inner attitude, > > AND make this clear to me in unmistakeble terms, the execute control. TM > > is more than just a club they joined, which could be substituted by any > > other club around the corner at any time. It's a lifestyle, and it's a > > beliefsystem as well. You will notice this once you leave. > > > > > I doubt it. Rejected, perhaps, but that's something else. I don't know > > > why people feel so bitter about it. > > > > It's not bitterness, it's my experience and my opinion. > > > > > If the club they want to join excludes them, they are free to join > > > another one. It's a matter of freedom of choice, not coercion. > > > > > You have never thought yourself into this situation. That's why your > > argument is so superficial. People love Maharishi, it's not just a club, > > and you could rejoin a club any time. A more apt comparision would be a > > relationship, a marriage that breaks up. People are literally married to > > the movement. The movement is in their brains, not just through meditation > > (that's the good thing), but also through everything they know and believe. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single > > > > > one who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to > > > > > me. I think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have > > > > > no real clue about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through > > > > > the dome programs (for which no charge is made), is in fact > > > > > performing a service for the community. The reason the malcontents > > > > > can't recognize this is because they can only see through the lens of > > > > > their own negativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people > > > > who have made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it > > > > is long time back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just > > > > in denial. If you have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you > > > > just never came into any conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. > > > > > > > > I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the > > > > movement, and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, > > > > after 40 years in TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent > > > > movement group. The denial of access was a pure act of punishment, for > > > > something nobody here on FFL would consider a serious issue. It is > > > > because of him that I re-published this video on youtube. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg > > > > > > > > I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been > > > > resolved, but as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a > > > > punishment, I will leave it on the net, to warn everybody. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tea wrote: As long as people feel this commitment to go to the > > > > > > domes, or as long as they want to participate in the common group > > > > > > program, so long the > > > > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My reply: Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience > > > > > > with the TMO. I wish there were something even now I could do in > > > > > > some zany way, to make amends. Maybe something will come to me. > > > > > > Same for Buck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share, like many here I had good and also bad experiences with the TMO. > > > > Life is a mix of many things. That I left was utimately good for me, > > > > and I think it came in the right moment. But truthfully, I do not want > > > > to be part of a movement that is oppressive in this particular way. Why > > > > do they use the group program to put pressure on peoples lifes and > > > > faith? This to me is not an acceptable policy. > > > > > > > > So my decission was and is, to not put myself at the mercy of the likes > > > > of Bevan and the Rajas, even though I may know some of them personally. > > > > If you are happy there, Share, fine. But basically, given the situation > > > > as it is, you will always be vulnerable. As Feste says so aptly, as > > > > long as they own the house, they can do with you what they want. (i.e. > > > > deny access for whatever reason they like) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates > > > > > > to what you describe as unforgiveable. I simply want to say that > > > > > > I go to the Dome. AND I do not feel that the TMO has me in their > > > > > > hands nor are controlling me. In fact, if I ponder about it, I > > > > > > don't even think they want to control me.  Wouldn't that be > > > > > > silly anyway, given increased field independence with TM? > > > > > > > > If they wouldn't want to control people, why do they then set up these > > > > strange rules? Share, at the moment you 'fit in', and there is no > > > > problem. But at the moment they would get on you for any of the other > > > > activities you have been doing, Ammachi, your interest in other > > > > techniques of emotional release, Arunachala (if you would ever want to > > > > travel there), all these things could become an issue of conlict at a > > > > time. And depending how important the group program is for you this > > > > conflict could become existential. It has been so for many people for > > > > many years. > > > > > > > > > > Again I'm sorry for your bad experience with TMO. You do seem > > > > > > mostly at peace about it. > > > > > > > > Yep. But it upsets me if my friends I have known for decades, are still > > > > in this situation. That is why I sympathize with Buck, because I have > > > > been in exactly the same situation for years. > > > > > > > > >� I'm grateful for that. And that you're here. And that you've > > > > >been willing to engage with such a TBer as me (-: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never felt any hostility from you Share. I feel hostility only from > > > > people who call me purposefully negative. But they may be forgiven. > > > > They don't know. Enjoy your life, Share. Everything will be fine for > > > > you I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:33 AM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious > > > > > > Practices > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > When I first signed the agreement form, it as just short before we > > > > > > received the TM initiator initiation, I thought that it was a mere > > > > > > formality, and I thought that the term purity of the teaching > > > > > > related to teaching the 7 steps of TM. 7 steps. Intro lecture, prep > > > > > > lecture, personal interview, initiation - the puja, the mantras, > > > > > > the 'steps', and the 3 days checking. That's it, I thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > But now I learn, that signing this agreement form, was like signing > > > > > > a blanco checque, that anything could be added to this term, be it > > > > > > Ayurveda, Vastu, Maharishi Jyotish, Maharishi natural products etc > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > And now I learn, that the purity of the teaching relates to all of > > > > > > them, and we don't even know what is yet to come, which will fall > > > > > > under this term. The purity of the teaching is really a whore. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing all this development, we should have at least have one week > > > > > > of lectures just about the agreement form. I think there was one > > > > > > lecture by Maharishi, playing it more or less down. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the times I signed it first, there were no domes yet, no group > > > > > > flying, no Ayurveda, no Vastu or Maharishi Jyotish, no Maharishi > > > > > > honey etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I find unforgivable, is the fact, that the group program, > > > > > > which is really the holy grail of the movement is being > > > > > > instrumentalized as a means of punishment, of sanctioning, and if > > > > > > Buck is correct, to impart the rules they make, would allow them > > > > > > to spy on people and behave in a manner which only the secret > > > > > > service does. And even more so, do this out of a basically economic > > > > > > reason, as several posters here agree. Where is the purity of the > > > > > > teaching in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > At the moment I learned about the purity of the teaching, it was > > > > > > about 'capture the fort, and all else will be given to you'. No > > > > > > need for special services and add on techniques. Now you are > > > > > > jeopardizing the purity of the teaching if you buy the wrong > > > > > > house, or the wrong honey or the get the wrong horoscope. And of > > > > > > course, you didn't know anything about this, hen you signed this > > > > > > paper at your TTC. > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or as > > > > > > long as they want to participate in the common group program, so > > > > > > long the movement will have you in their hands, they will be able > > > > > > to control people. > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot feel such a commitment on the basis of the experiences I > > > > > > had when starting to meditate. While I see the value of TM, > > > > > > especially for the beginner, I don't see it's exclusiveness. > > > > > > Transcendence to me predates any experience, I had anticipations of > > > > > > transcendence before TM, I had experiences before too. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, of course, I had many experiences after. So I cannot fee > > > > > > obliged my whole life to one particular experience, and let it > > > > > > enclose my life in one particular pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > The same is true for you Robin, quite obviously and even much more > > > > > > dramatically, but I cannot achieve the kind of compartmentalization > > > > > > you are making with respect to all the different Robins in your > > > > > > personal history. To me it seems there is a Robin1, a Robin2, a > > > > > > Robin3 and a Robin4 up until 5 maybe, all of them are fairly > > > > > > intact, lets call Robin1 the Robin who as a TB teacher and just > > > > > > newly enlightened, Robin2 the Robin of the seminars at FF and > > > > > > whatever happened there, the Robin3 the one who read Aquinas and > > > > > > became converted to Catholicism, and Robin4 is the post modern, > > > > > > post catholic Robin. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also Robin0, the one who experimented with LSD (which I > > > > > > never took). Robin4 tells us that the whole TM trip as a deception, > > > > > > and illusion, and side by side in the same post Robin1 tells that > > > > > > the initiation into TM is the most marvelous experience, to which > > > > > > we should always be committed and faithful. Robin4 tells Emily it > > > > > > is better to never start TM, and Robin1 tells Vaj, that he doesn't > > > > > > know anything because he never transcended and urges him to start > > > > > > learning TM. It is as if all these personas, are overlay-ed upon > > > > > > each other, but there is no final resolution. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it is your purpose to work on your own history, to reach a > > > > > > sense of resolution between these levels, but to me it seems you > > > > > > resort to some sort of mysticism instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Buck I am glad that he is there, in whatever situation he is > > > > > > in, and makes these things known to us creating transparency. To me > > > > > > he is a very authentic and honest person. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" > > > > > > <maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Share, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the > > > > > > > spiritual resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty > > > > > > > simple. Those who devise and enforce these rules (which > > > > > > > originated in Maharishi himself) are going by their first > > > > > > > experience of what TM and Maharishi represented: This is The Way; > > > > > > > there is no other way that compares to the TM-Maharishi way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take > > > > > > > one to the deepest level of one's very being�"there is no other > > > > > > > practice which is defined mechanically and objectively such as to > > > > > > > afford the most efficient way of transcending�"there are no > > > > > > > competitors here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher > > > > > > > of TM by Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. > > > > > > > And if TM cannot do what it says it does�"take one to the level > > > > > > > of pure consciousness�"then we are selling a product which does > > > > > > > not do what we say it does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any compromise on this policy of guarding "the purity of the > > > > > > > teaching" will mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution > > > > > > > of Maharishi's Teaching, That is one thing that Maharishi was > > > > > > > able to do that no other teacher in our lifetime has been able to > > > > > > > do: Make us experience that he was the very best, the only one, > > > > > > > and that what he was giving to us was coming directly from > > > > > > > reality or God or the source of creative intelligence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any flexibility, reasonableness, tolerance here just makes no > > > > > > > sense at all�"unless the people at the top are giving up their > > > > > > > claim to the exclusiveness of TM as being the most beautiful way > > > > > > > to transcend that is available anywhere. I refer readers (who > > > > > > > have done TM) to their first TM experience. How it happened; what > > > > > > > the process was like; how they experienced the mantra working > > > > > > > inside of them. The very miraculous innocence�"and > > > > > > > profundity�"of this experience signifies: No competition will > > > > > > > be allowed�"because what could produce an experience equal to > > > > > > > the one you first had when you started TM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say the policy is justified on the basis of TM being what > > > > > > > Maharishi made us believe it was, and what our experiences�"at > > > > > > > least for awhile�"confirmed, because of course I don't think > > > > > > > that TM and Maharishi have continued to get the grace and support > > > > > > > which would indicate that reality and God still think they are > > > > > > > It. But in terms of the truth of one's devotion to one's Master, > > > > > > > and Maharishi brilliant and unchallengeable authority to persuade > > > > > > > us of his preeminent position and status in Creation�"and his > > > > > > > gift to us in the form of his spiritual technology�"what the > > > > > > > TMO is doing in being careful about vetting persons who meditate > > > > > > > in the Dome is not only reasonable, it is entirely truthful to > > > > > > > their conscience, their understanding of the will of Maharishi, > > > > > > > and their own sense of what is the right thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This behaviour on the part of those who wield this authority over > > > > > > > meditators is irreproachable in my estimation. Of course if these > > > > > > > persons believed that there was another path to God, to the Self, > > > > > > > to enlightenment, then the enforcement of these policies would be > > > > > > > subject to moral scrutiny. Inside the context of what they deem > > > > > > > as truth and the means of not betraying the wishes of their > > > > > > > Master, they are behaving entirely appropriately�"There simply > > > > > > > is no argument to be made against them whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: awoelflebater <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:02 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious > > > > > > > > Practices > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got > > > > > > > > > > > called in by the chief inspector the other day over my > > > > > > > > > > > religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes > > > > > > > > > > > badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is > > > > > > > > > > > still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they > > > > > > > > > > > have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the > > > > > > > > > > > Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. > > > > > > > > > > > The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce > > > > > > > > > > > people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya > > > > > > > > > > > services more exclusively by using the dome admission as > > > > > > > > > > > a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace > > > > > > > > > > > Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see > > > > > > > > > > > will adjudicate my case. "We have something in our > > > > > > > > > > > files, tell us about it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] > > > > > > > > > > find out > > > > > > > > > > you are using non-approved "services?" Is there a > > > > > > > > > > supergrass in > > > > > > > > > > FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. > > > > > > > > > > Really, what > > > > > > > > > > is the point of all this if this is the sort of > > > > > > > > > > "positivity" that > > > > > > > > > > TM creates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German > > > > > > > > > Secret Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the > > > > > > > > > time. Search local papers for leads, the internet, make > > > > > > > > > interviews, hear conversations in the Domes or meal hall on > > > > > > > > > campus or around, some people also feel it their duty to tell > > > > > > > > > them things, and then they squeeze people. They make files > > > > > > > > > and network the files. These are TM career people who are > > > > > > > > > very good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are > > > > > > > > > unquestioningly loyal subordinates. For them it is about > > > > > > > > > enforcing the guidelines. If they had better guidelines they > > > > > > > > > would enforce them too. It is a lot like being confronted > > > > > > > > > with that German officer investigator actor in Inglorious > > > > > > > > > Bastards. > > > > > > > > > http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the course office and the system that set it up. > > > > > > > > > Evidently it is the best we have to work with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate > > > > > > > > in the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret > > > > > > > > police. I had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in > > > > > > > > 1976-1980 I would have been out of there, real fast. I guess > > > > > > > > what you gain is worth this kind of terrible, > > > > > > > > freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for real? I haven't been > > > > > > > > paying attention or following any of this at FFL so I am a bit > > > > > > > > shocked now that I actually read one of these posts. I guess > > > > > > > > you need the collective group energy that the dome provides > > > > > > > > when you do your siddhis? You couldn't just sort of hop around > > > > > > > > in your own home and essentially be flipping these Nazi's a > > > > > > > > bird at the same time as you burn your dome badge? Jeezuz, I > > > > > > > > would love to be in Fairfield just to give these assholes a run > > > > > > > > for their money. I could think of all sorts of fun scenarios > > > > > > > > because, frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the > > > > > > > > opportunity to raise a couple of hackles on these > > > > > > guy's backs > > > > > > > > would be worth the price of admission. Good luck with that. > > > > > > > > But remember, certain things are only worth so much boot > > > > > > > > licking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
