--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > About real world vs FFL: my Vancouver ex and I met in a forum. We lived > together for a year. Now we're sweet friends, emailing most days. So > realness increased somehow and continues to. > > > Plus in person I know Rick and Alex and Robert and now Raunchy and even Buck > though I doubt he remembers when we sat next to each other at a lecture. > It sounds like feste lives a few blocks from me.
And do they come across and seem exactly like they are at FFL? Do you know them well enough offline to be able to judge this or have you had more interactions with them online? > > I knew you and Curtis long ago. I knew Ravi on a previous forum. I still > interact with Jim on another forum. At a funeral I read something beautiful > that Edg wrote about a deceased and beloved member of that other forum. It is not that things don't happen, and good things too, online. It is just that the essential dynamic is very different from offline. People are usually much more accessible and careful when they are standing next to you. I give people the benefit of the doubt that they are probably much easier to talk to in person, that the internet can give them an edge and a licence to be different than they are in the flesh. Really, all I am saying is don't take things too personally here. Some posters are very honest and real (Emily for example) and some are hiding behind all sorts of personas and agendas (AZ and Vaj for example) and others just don't give a poop what they say to hurt people (Barry). If you get too closely wedded to taking all of these characters into your personal space and opening yourself up too deeply to some of them you will find you will get slammed at some point. (I am not talking in the least about Robin here by the way, he falls into none of these categories.) > > I'm just saying that realness, in this online social context, for me, exists > on a continuum. And it can be wonderful when realness increases. Most definitely there is some realness. But, like I said, the scenery is cardboard and the stars are little studio lights. > > Share > > ________________________________ > From: awoelflebater <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:39 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: "I'm not going to shut up; it's my > turn!" > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > Yes, sometimes foolish, sometimes wise we are.àBecause this is a > > learning place.àWe are all going to make mistakes.àGood to develop > > wise compassion.àEven about ourselves.àAnd to apologize if > > appropriate.àMake amends.àIntend to do better next time.àAct > > wisely to mature the undeveloped aspects of ourselves.àTM, Sedona > > Method, mindfulness, lovingkindness, humor, ect.àWhatever helps us > > become a better person, more loving, more truthful. > > > > This is the best anyone can do.àAnd it is good enough to do.àI am > > open to other thoughts and suggestions.à> > I think, with all due respect Share, that if you want to develop and practice > these noble aspirations that you list above then do this in the 'real world'. > FFL is simply not that. Many of us are not quite as we seem here at FFL as we > are offline. I know this for a fact. It is like trying to practice real > medicine on some hospital theme soap opera. FFL is a place to stretch some > boundaries, to play a little and sometimes to fight but you aren't going to > change anyone here and many times sincerity and vulnerability get sacrificed, > brutally. Don't take this place or your role in it too seriously. That would > be my best advice. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: merudanda <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:59 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: "I'm not going to shut up; it's > > my turn!" > > > > > > à> > Oh Mama Aunty Share play with her kids and they won't let Share be > > > > > > Sedon(a)-izingàher kids- demons today, > > Letting them out for their weekly foray. > > Sharing can't make them leave, > > and they won't let Share be > > if she don't let them come out to play? > > > > The fat one on the slide is it Rage? > > He was good, so he's out of the cage. > > He doesn't play nice, > > and sometimes, he bites; > > Yeah, he's hard to assuage. > > > > The cute one, you may like is Lust. > > For her, the see-saw's a must. > > But don't let her fool you, > > she's really quite cruel, too. > > In fact, it's her you shouldn't` trust. > > > > See little one there is named Pout. > > (Bet you guessed what he's all about.) > > He loves to swing on wingyàswings, > > and sometimes, breaking things, > > if Share don't give in to her shouts. > > > > Look the last one outside is Sorrow. > > She plays with toys that are borrowed. > > A real downer, she is. > > Doesn't like other kids, > > But she'll always be out again tomorrow > > > > Sedonizing Share's demons today, > > Letting them out for their weekly foray. > > We can't make them leave. > > Does theyàlet her be > > if she don't let them come out to play? > > > > Is the way into youàa narrow road? > > Is it boxed in, blocked out, and reprimanded? > > Is the way into youàtiny, yeah > > Can't you get there in a single stride? > > Can't youàget there without a guide? > > Is the way into you > > Is it a narrow road? > > With goodbyes and hellos? > > That flank each winding bend > > so these peopleàwant to be your friend > > > > You not seek, and so you'll found; > > Willàtraveled rooted to the ground. > > Words that in jest you uttered here > > May wisdom in the heavenly sphere. > > (All men's questions and replies > > Are sometimes foolish, sometimes wise) > > > > If you wish to learn of me > > Forget all this immediately; > > Forget there's such a thing to do - > > And then perchance I'll wink at you. > > Nameless mother of ten thousand things > > From the unlocked cage of your heart > > White doves of love will go winging, > > Wild larks of song golden rise singing, > > The ice of your heart is then broken, broken, > > Joy's fountain leaps in the air; > > And all the while no word was spoken: > > You'll only looked at something fair. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ann, poor Share was at writing group for 2 hours this afternoon, > > > then Sedona Method for an hour, then Dome, then dinner, then library, now > > > here.àAt one point I had over 80 unread emails.àThe other forum > > > is also being quite active today. > > > > > > > > > Before the Dome I saw that Robin had posted what he sent me offline last > > > night.àIn return I posted the reply I sent to him last night.à> > > I've had a quick glance at 2 of his posts from after that.àIn one of > > > them he says he corrected something from yesterday.àI heard a groan > > > in my head!àIn the other he indicates that he's not satisfied with my > > > reconciliation efforts.àI'll read both of those more carefully this > > > evening. > > > > > > àHaving asked Robin what more I can do, I sense that I've done my > > > best.àIt seems that is not good enough for him.àNonetheless I > > > wish him all the best always. > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all your kindness and support > > > Shareà> > > > > > > > > PSàAnyone who still has discomfort about my part in all this is > > > welcome to email me directly. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:43 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: "I'm not going to shut up; it's > > > my turn!" > > > > > > > > > à> > > Hoo boy, and I thought I was getting confused with the quotes and poems > > > from various "famous" authors and poets whose excerpts were being posted > > > here by various members. Now I have to contend with letters written by > > > one person using another person's name. If I'm confused you can only > > > imagine poor Share...let alone Steve. I think we might just be about to > > > hear from Curtis any minute now as well. God, this place rocks. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > much snipping > > > > > > > I have to think, Judy, that you would take exception to > > > > > > > someone describing an entirely fictitious conversation > > > > > > > with you as though it had occurred. I also think that > > > > > > > you might take exception to someone writing posts with > > > > > > > your byline, > > > > > > > > > > > > (Steve has explained he didn't mean using someone else's > > > > > > account ID.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if it is done in the > > > > > > > name of so called irony. My feeling is that you would request > > > > > > > that such a person refrain from doing that. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would depend, Steve. And certainly Curtis and Share > > > > > > are free to object or make such a request if they think > > > > > > anybody might have been misled. > > > > > > > > > > > > But it was obvious to me that the "conspiracy" bit and > > > > > > the paragraph Robin wrote and signed "Curtis" were both > > > > > > ironic. And frankly, I'd be astonished if everyone didn't > > > > > > realize this. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am sure everyone did realize it. It is just something > > > > > I would not take the liberty of doing. Perhaps I am more > > > > > sensitive along these lines. > > > > > > > > Uh, perhaps. I guess that's one possibility. > > > > > > > > > Of course Share did respond that she had not participated in > > > > > the discussion to which Robin indicated she was a party. > > > > > > > > Well, no, Steve, that wasn't what she responded. She did > > > > contradict what Robin had said about the *nature* of the > > > > discussion to which she had, in fact, been a party. > > > > > > > > > I picked up that she wasn't too thrilled about being > > > > > misrepresented. > > > > > > > > Or, she was pleased to have found something she thought > > > > she could use to make Robin look bad, not having > > > > realized that, as you yourself said you were sure > > > > about, everyone would have recognized it as irony. > > > > > > > > > And also, > > > > > > Irony is pretty easy to detect if one is in good contact > > > > > > with reality, because the variance from reality in the > > > > > > ironic material is clear. It's really just a matter of > > > > > > common sense. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone is missing the irony. > > > > > > > > Maybe you should tell Share this. > > > > > > > > > But irony just like anything can be in good taste or poor > > > > > taste. In my opinion, Robin's irony sometimes crosses a > > > > > line most people would not appreciate. > > > > > > > > You're welcome to your opinion, and your taste. De gustibus > > > > non est disputandum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it may not be enough for them to make a protest. It > > > > > is not that big a deal for me either. But since we were > > > > > discussing issues along these lines, I brought it up. > > > > > > > > > >
