--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
>
> Judy's attributing words to me that I did not write or even think is Judy's
> "alternate approach to supplying subtext"?! Oh, wait, I think I get it.Â
> You're making a joke. Please tell me you're making a joke. And not
> twisting into a pretzel to avoid criticizing Judy. Â
>
It was clear to me from the get go that Judy wasn't quoting anything you
actually said. That part of my statement still stands. However, Judy corrected
me: "What I normally do is put "Translation:" before the proposed subtext. In
this case I was *adding* something to what Share had said ("Especially
when...") rather than supplying subtext for what she had said, so
"Translation:" didn't apply. But I knew nobody would think it was something she
herself had said, so I just left it in quotes."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/320866
Apparently, Judy was fairly confident that nobody would think it was something
you had *actually* said. IMO your objection to "attributing words" to you is a
ruse to avoid the larger issue of having "mistakes and falsehoods" called to
your attention.
>
> Raunchy, do you really think that the only parameter of fair fighting is
> keeping discussions out in the open?! I disagree. I think there are
> others that are at least equally important.
>
You can fight fairly in private emails as much as you like and you can judge
for yourself (without the benefit of feedback from a public forum) whether or
not it was a fair fight. My point is that an open discussion on a public forum
requires courage and integrity to be truthful with oneself and others. Openness
keeps people honest, there's no place to hide. It's just you and the variety of
mirrors of consciousness on the forum reflecting you back to you.
>
> I notice how you put all of this on me and none of it on Judy, totally
> ignoring how she responded to my apology. Of course that's what she did
> with the me and Robin kafufel. Perhaps a requirement to belong to her
> clique?Â
>
Judy's response to you is between you and Judy. The "clique requirement" slam
is wholly gratuitous and also untrue, since I don't know anything about your
Robin kerfuffle, nor do I care.
> I would say rather if we can't be honest with ourselves, how can we be honest
> with others. Discerning respected others have told me that I am honest with
> myself about my shortcomings to a very good degree. Perhaps my memory is
> not as good as Judy's nor my ability to deal with the sheer volume of posts
> and archives. But my intention about and devotion to big and little truths
> is at least as strong as hers, if not stronger. Â Â Â Â
>
rēs ipsa loquitur
>
> ________________________________
> From: raunchydog <raunchydog@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:56 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:to everyone -- writing for the Church of
> $cientology
>
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> >
> > Supplying some mental floss for this exchange and just in case Judy's use
> > of quotation marks is obfuscating, I'm sure it's not me she is quoting as I
> > did not write those words.ÃÂ Or even think them.ÃÂ Maybe herself?ÃÂ
> > Or someone from another decade?ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > PSÃÂ I'd rather be a supposed "pompous, reality-avoiding dormouse" than a
> > rageful, reality-obfuscating dirty fighter.ÃÂ BTW, The previous sentence
> > shows the clean fighting way of using quotation marks as the words enclosed
> > therein were actually written by a FFL poster. ÃÂ ÃÂ
> >
>
> You've got a pretty strong charge going on there, Share. Maybe it's something
> to reflect upon. It's quite clear to me Judy wasn't quoting anything you
> actually said. Her alternate approach to supplying subtext, that I've seen
> her use with Barry, might have been: Says Share, especially disliking the
> negativity of having her mistakes and falsehoods called to her attention. She
> really hates that.
>
> Seems to me fighting fairly means keeping the discussion out in the open.
> Private emails, or even the gist of them that leak into the public
> discussion, Sal's for example, is more likely to engender reality-obfuscating
> as well as mistrust and room to stretch or avoid the truth.
>
> "I don't see how anybody can ever hope to get anywhere near the larger Truth
> if they have no concern for the smaller truths of everyday life, including on
> this forum. If we can't be honest with each other, how can we ever be honest
> with ourselves?" ~J. Stein
>
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: authfriend <authfriend@>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:to Judy & everyone -- writing for the Church of
> > $cientology
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My apologies to everyone including Judy for my part in
> > > this disagreement.ÃÂ If anyone has questions or concerns
> > > about my part in it or in the one with Robin, again my
> > > request is that you email me directly for sake of
> > > sparing the forum any further negativity.
> >
> > "Especially the negativity of having my mistakes and
> > falsehoods called to my attention. I really hate that."
> >
>
