And don't let the idiot emptybill confuse you - he's just a homeless dude begging for books, accosting, harassing people with his books. They should stop providing internet connections to these losers, these people need food, shelter, clothing.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.r...@gmail.com>wrote: > Jason baby - why the hell did I get dragged into this conversation? > > All I have to say is that most likely this Prophet dude had mystical > experiences however the prevailing social conditions being male > dominated, patriarchal, barbarian, uncivilized - men getting killed > left, center and right, women being under threat of violence - it's natural > that he said lot of shit that doesn't make any sense in a modern, civilized > setting. > > So please don't waste your fucking time or mine. > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Jason <jedi_sp...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> >> You mean this "god" took consideration of his carnal nature >> and gave him special permissions which other men couldn't >> have? >> >> I wonder what would be your reaction if someone like Barry >> or Ravi gave the same excuse? >> >> >> --- "emptybill" <emptybill@...> wrote: >> > >> > >> > And yer point? >> > >> > Muslims are only "embarrassed" when having to >> > defend the "prophet" from the proponents of the >> > "expired religions" and those notoriously corrupt "Westerners". Their >> > final answer is that he was a prophet (rasul/law giver) appointed by >> > Allah and therefore the receiver/transmitter of the word of god. As >> > such, he was submitted to the guidance of god. Thus god took >> > consideration of his carnal nature, just as god took consideration of >> > the carnality of the old testament prophets. As god's own chosen >> > prophet, he was given latitude other men (who cares about the women) >> > could not have. >> > >> > >> > --- Jason <jedi_spock@> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The Prophet sanctioned pedophilia >> > > >> > > Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to >> > > Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he >> > > captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him. >> > > >> > > Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for >> > > Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the >> > > Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. >> > > The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He >> > > sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured >> > > women for himself. >> > > >> > > Tubari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the >> > > prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed >> > > parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad. >> > > >> > > Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those >> > > Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for >> > > their prophet's marriage to Aisha when she was 6-years-old. >> > > The thought of a 52-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a >> > > young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the >> > > disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy >> > > man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile. >> > > >> > > Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is >> > > a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a >> > > 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five >> > > pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part >> > > of tradition and did not become controversial until social >> > > mores began to change with the modern age. >> > > >> > > The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending >> > > on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a >> > > sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the >> > > youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when >> > > she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't >> > > know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not >> > > have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in >> > > speculating. >> > > >> > > Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a >> > > pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited >> > > from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took >> > > place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. >> > > Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was >> > > because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - >> > > thus entering into "womanhood." It is unlikely that a >> > > pedophile would be concerned about this. >> > > >> > > On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from >> > > Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, >> > > even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) lays down >> > > rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period >> > > of three months is established to determine that the woman >> > > is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who >> > > have not had their courses," "a real man is one who marries >> > > a real woman"... but that's just us.meaning girls who have >> > > not begun to menstruate. (In our opinion, this would have >> > > been a great time for Allah to have said something else >> > > instead like, thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment >> > > (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with >> > > children became deeply ingrained >> > > (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/JenniferKing50718.htm) >> > > in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies >> > > would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their >> > > menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the >> > > thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world. >> > > >> > > The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even >> > > gave his consent to using infants >> > > (http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826) for >> > > sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration >> > > until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a >> > > 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her >> > > womb during intercourse. >> > > >> > > Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by >> > > advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as >> > > child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa >> > > (known as 23672), the imam answers a question: "My parents >> > > married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. >> > > How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he >> > > may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs." >> > > >> > > Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was >> > > such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and >> > > Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him >> > > as well. This disappointing pattern is very much at odds >> > > with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of >> > > a true "prophet of God." >> > > >> > > Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son is >> > > almost as tough for Muslims to explain. This is because it >> > > not only raises a similar question of moral character, but >> > > also casts suspicion on whether his so-called prophecies >> > > were really divine revelation or dictates of personal >> > > convenience. According to one biographer, even Aisha appears >> > > to be somewhat doubtful of Muhammad's claim that Allah >> > > commanded him to marry Zaynab, wryly remarking, "Truly Allah >> > > seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers." >> > > >> > > So controversial was Muhammad's desire to marry his adopted >> > > son's wife that he had to justify it with a stern >> > > pronouncement from Allah on the very institution of >> > > adoption, which has had tragic consequences to this day. >> > > Verses 33:4-5 are widely interpreted to imply that Islam is >> > > against adoption meaning that an untold number of children >> > > in the Islamic world have been needlessly orphaned - all >> > > because Muhammad's lustful desires for a married woman went >> > > beyond even what the other six wives that he possessed at >> > > the time and a multitude of slaves could satisfy. >> > > >> > > Some Muslims deny that Muhammad was married to more than >> > > four women at a time, merely on the basis that the Qur'an >> > > only gives permission for marrying four. Unfortunately, >> > > Muslims historians disagree. Only one of Muhammad's last >> > > eleven wives died before him (Zaynab bint Khuzayma). The >> > > rest outlived him by many years. >> > > >> > > Muhammad forbade his ten widows from remarrying, even making >> > > sure that this "divine" order was forever preserved in the >> > > eternal word of Allah - Qur'an (33:53) To add insult to >> > > injury, they were all summarily disinherited from Muhammad's >> > > estate by his successor (courtesy of another divine order >> > > "given" to Abu Bakr from Allah). >> > > >> > > In summary, Islam's holiest texts portray Muhammad not as a >> > > perfect man, but as a sexual hedonist. Not only did he >> > > become fat : Muhammad_th e_Obese) >> > > from indulging in food, but his pursuit of sex was no less >> > > gluttonous. On top of it all, he used personal "revelations" >> > > from Allah to justify his debauchery to the gullible masses >> > > which, to this day, continue to be venerated and memorized >> > > as if they are the holiest of utterances. >> > > >> > > >> > > movemegod.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-3224.html >> > > >> > >> >> >> > >
