--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote: > > This is exactly what I'm asking. Â Is it explainable? >
Excellent questions. An abstract experience is not easily explained, particularly the experiences MJ is talking about. Your experience at the beach hints at it. IMO TM makes your beach experience possible regularly. Explaining the abstract experiences that MJ is talking about was Maharishi's strong suit. MJ rejected the TMO long ago and that's O.K. but as far as the TM technique goes, he stills seems to get benefits from it. Interestingly he still uses the abstract concepts that he learned from Maharishi to explain his experiences. Maybe he does so because it's a language that he's familiar with that validates his experience. So the TMO has a lot of baggage. BFD, IMO, I wish people would just stop whining about it, but that's going to happen. Oh, well, I still like the TM *technique* and MJ seems to as well. To each his own. I don't know if this link works but I thought of you and your little dog Sandy when I saw it: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/45290_535581186469626_881860797_n.jpg > ________________________________ > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:16 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > > > I definitely go up and down; it's a real drag. àOr maybe not. àWhat > > you say below sounds like something Xeno would say. à"You are immersed > > in unbounded awareness?" àHow do you know this? àMaybe you just think > > you are. à> > > > How do you know you tasted a strawberry and how would you explain it to > anyone who hasn't? > > > ________________________________ > > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > But like I said this is my daily experience so meditation is not something > > I do for more than a few minutes - its useful for release of body stress > > but the rest, well I already am immersed in unbounded awareness, so its > > just thinking the mantra in the cosmic soup, I don't go up or down. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > Dear MJ, how do you define "Pure Awareness?" àThe "Absolute is enlivened > > in you?" àWhat does that feel like. à> > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 12:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > Thanks Emily, for your kind words. > > > > For me I started out with TM and the first thing it did was help me sleep > > better, which was a blessing at the time. And fairly soon after I started > > TM I began to have what might be termed "classic" experiences of clear > > transcending, and then CC, GC (lots of those) and some Unity, and even > > which for me was real cool, a couple very clear although minor experiences > > of ritambhara pragya when I was on staff working for the team of governors > > who were teaching sidhi prep courses in North and South Carolina in the > > late 70's. > > > > This led me to believe that all the things M said about consciousness and > > TM leading to enlightenment were true since I seemed to be on that path > > through direct experience. I also assumed that the promises about life > > improvement such as better behavior, > > better relationships and > > so forth were also true. But I early on began to see a large gap between > > what was promised or claimed for the effects of TM and the actual behavior > > and energy of most of the leaders and managers of the Movement. > > > > Like so many others l made excuses for that gap, but reached a point that I > > could no longer make excuses. If TM is as effective as it is supposed to > > be, the way it is advertised by the Movement, it should be having a very > > different effect and manifestation in those who have been doing it the > > longest, especially those who have done the "advanced" courses. > > > > I still occasionally use my TM mantra, it is for me a stress release thing > > - to explain, when I got the Chopra mantra which is chosen according to > > your birthday and time, I had the experience with my TM mantra that I would > > sink into the Absolute, with the Chopra mantra I felt the Absolute being > > enlivened in me, very vibrantly. > > > > After a couple years of using these mantras, > > and with the discovery of Eckhart Tolle's work, I feel what you might call > > Pure Awareness around me all the time - sometimes its really prevalent and > > powerful - other times it fades away. > > > > At this point the mantra, TM or other wise, tends to sort of pull me out of > > that state of Energy - its just like sitting there thinking thoughts. And > > this is proper meditation practice mind you. So for me about 5 minutes of > > TM or meditation and its done. Anymore than that its just surfacy thoughts. > > IF I stop meditating and sit there, silent, its all the Transcendent. TM is > > most useful for me if I have some physical fatigue or muscle overwork, > > using the TM or Chopra mantra releases the fatigue or stress very quickly. > > > > So for me I understand the love many have for TM and its use in daily life. > > I have come to the conclusion that I am sure that a LOT of people here will > > vehemently deny or denounce is that TM is most useful and effective in the > > early years and > > later not so much, partly because I think like those who feel we are in > > the transcendent all the time and all we need to do is become aware of it > > like Nisargadatta or Eckhart Tolle. > > > > I have a good deal of respect for people like Rick Archer and understand > > his outlook on things, but I disagree totally with his assessment that the > > David Lynch Foundation is doing good work with certain groups. I have been > > working with a group of therapists of various kinds who are beginning to > > treat people especially veterans who have PTSD. Given what I know about the > > context in which TM is taught (the Movement) and the effect of TM in terms > > of its stress release capacity it may not be the best technique for those > > who hold such extreme amounts and kinds of stress that can come forth > > explosively. I also do not want the TM folks teaching TM in schools at all > > - the reasons for the teaching is not to benefit the people as much as it > > is to create more customers for the > > Movement, the teacher who are on the ground and actually teach the > > students may not be aware of this, but the leaders of the Movement > > certainly know it. I do feel TM is of benefit to some degree, but for both > > PTSD sufferers and school kids there are other more positive meditations > > that will benefit them more fully without the baggage of the Movement or > > their hidden motives. > > > > So them's my thoughts on meditation today. I await the utter revilement I > > am sure to receive from nabby and others for expressing these thoughts. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > I think it depends on what one's expectations are for one's meditation and > > what meditation practice one is following, no? > > > > As an operational example (not a paradigm), for me I think that meditation > > helps to lower my stress level. àI have no expectations of > > "enlightenment" of whatever sort; I simply want to function better in my > > life. àAnd then I thought, hmmmmm, very different idea than > > "unstressing" under TM, based on what I've read online. > > > > I would like to hear Mark though, so will check it out.à> > > > I also am a reader here who really has enjoyed your posts mjackson. à> > > > ________________________________ > > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > I think it would be instructive for everyone to watch Rick's latest Buddha > > at the Gas Pump - where Mark Landau talks about his fantastic experiences > > of awareness and at the same time he was still fearful, anxious etc. it > > does bring one to doubt the long term efficacy of TM and perhaps any sort > > of meditation - its interesting to me to note that Eckhart Tolle has > > consistently said that no one gets enlightened by meditating. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > This same paragraph could apply to Amma based on the information that is > > out on the internet now. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > And if Maharishi was really enlightened and therefore an expression of > > Divine Energy, which would mean the Movement was and is an expression of > > Divine Energy and Cosmic Excellence in Action, how could it have left they > > trail of people who became basket cases mentally, emotionally, financially > > and sometimes physically and the numbers of people who now revile Maha - > > doesn't seem to be the expected manifestation of en enlightened man and > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:34 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow - wonder who's point of view is the true one? > > > > Consider this; Curtis is the biggest Maharishi-hater ever to have graced > > this forum. The level of hate is so intense that even The Turq and Vaj > > becomes mere amateurs in comparison. > > > > If you want to know what Maharishi felt about Christianity all you have to > > do is to see the video below. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWqJ8tJ8JU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:28 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If MMY did have a negative view of Christianity it was because of what > > > > he saw as its emphasis on suffering, which was directly contrary to his > > > > message that life is bliss. In that sense he had a disagreement with > > > > the interpreters of Christianity down through the ages, not with the > > > > founder himself. In an interview with a Swiss journalist in Majorca on > > > > November 23, 1971, Maharishi said, "I love Christ very much." He also > > > > said in the same interview, "TM is a friend of Christianity because it > > > > takes awareness to the field that Christ wanted everyone to enjoy." > > > > Then he added,"No Christian should suffer; it is not necessary. It is > > > > not good to propagate suffering in the name of Christ." He also used to > > > > refer to Christ as "Lord Christ." > > > > > > Maharishi on Christianity: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWqJ8tJ8JU > > > > > >
