You see,this started out so *boring*....and ended up so interesting. Yes, I think the two of you should discuss 1) the *method* Robin used on LG and 2) grace. I'm more interested in grace, of course. Now, I will laugh my way through the next walk with the dog. And I will be quiet today and practice listening.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And why don't you just leave this be, Ann? I feel *your* animosity > > > > here. There is someone who is being persecuted. Emily is only getting > > > > what she deserves. If I were a woman I would want to be Camille > > > > Claudel. Ravi was referring to Prince Myshkin--where Dostoyevsky's > > > > intent was to create > > > > > > I hope this once, the object of your gratuitous hatred can resist the > > > temptation to take it to you, Ann--because if she does this once > > > more--and you don't realize how ignominiously defeated you are, I will > > > have to send you (this time) into a virtual exile. I am trying to do some > > > good around here, Ann: please learn to whisper more wisely to these other > > > horses. > > > > > > > > > > M: Let's see here, mmmm,...uh....Oh, I think I get it now. > > > > > > Robin is the new Buck. And FFL is the new Dune. The snide schtick has > > > become the man, and as the Beatles say: > > > > > > "Let me take you down `Cause I'm going to... Strawberry Fields Nothing is > > > real And nothing to get hung about. Strawberry Fields forever" > > > > > > (Insert guitar riff here.) > > > > > > The tell: > > > > > > "a character "entirely positive...with an absolutely beautiful nature". > > > > > > See, I am catching on to the formula. Share has been dissed, and Ann's > > > challenge supported, but it looks like Ann was being chastised. > > > > > > The overkill, but it makes sure Ann is in on it: > > > > > > "if she does this once more--and you don't realize how ignominiously > > > defeated you are, I will have to send you (this time) into a virtual > > > exile." > > > > > > Let the cackling commence. > > > > Dear Curtis, > > > > I am not sure I follow you here. But I am aware of one thing: You are > > interested in my tactics, but not, I see, interested in the issue which has > > drawn me into Strawberry Fields forever. > > M: That is correct, the whole Share interaction with others doesn't interest > me at all. > > R: You would make a moral stand against my method of expressing my conviction > about a matter that I can consider serious enough to warrant being as ironic > as I can be? > > M: I was not making a moral stand, I was sorting it out for myself. I have > been having some trouble following your post's intent and wanted to figure it > out. Obviously many others have no trouble at all following your method of > communication here. But like Buck it makes following the ball a bit > difficult sometimes as you slip in and out of what you are calling your > "ironic" character. > > R: > > > > Do you wish to discuss the issue, Curtis? You would imply that my use of > > irony proves something underhanded and insincere about me, whereas your > > exposing what is going on here somehow in that revealing is something > > higher than my deploying my Buck in the Dome side? > > M: Higher, lower, those are all your own judgements. It isn't my style so > obviously I have my preferences. It is hard to pull off in writing so many > levels of communication without any support from voice tone or expressions. > > R:> > > Let's fight out this issue--I won't stoop to irony, and you won't therefore > > have some criticism to make of me. Do you know what the issue is, Curtis? > > You have already given your judgment of that issue in a post. Do you stand > > behind that judgment? > > M: You lost me here. There is the Share deal and then there is my observation > of how you are communicating. Did you read Dune BTW? My reference there is > not all all unflattering, it is one of my favorite books precisely for how > they depict very complex multilayered communications. Which issue do you > mean? I lost interest in your POV on Share after the post I commented on a > long time ago where you were trying to get her to experience something about > herself. I don't believe this discussion needs to be framed as a fight. > > R: > > > > What I would like to see you do, Curtis--and this would surprise me--is > > explain why you would in your having (quite effectively) told the FFL > > readers what's up here feel you had essentially (if implicitly) somehow > > looked after and answered the issue. Like what Emily is saying in her last > > post. > > M: I find your style of interaction interesting. I don't find the > interactions people are having with Share interesting. People are making > their own choices how they want to show up here, and I consider it all very > boring. I'm sure inside it all it is fascinating for the participants just > as my choices of interactions fascinate me. > > > R:> > > Are you willing to address Emily or Ann's point, Curtis? I think your > > avoidance of the issue far more significant a 'tell' than your ability to > > see what I am up to here. My response is to a sense of what is really going > > on; your response would make it (the issue Emily for instance is raising) > > something less morally or psychologically significant than your having > > caught me in my customary way of handling a dispute when one party is > > stonewalling. > > M: We always hit an impasse when you try to get me to direct my attention on > other people. I would sooner remove my eye with my unwashed hands after > re-potting a plant, than sort through that tangle of interactions. > "Avoiding" the issue is either spin or stating the obvious that we are all > making our choices for our attention here. I am "avoiding" 99% of what goes > on here to pursue my own interests just as I do in my offline life. Any > judgement of what I "should" be interested with will be met with the same > success my 7th grade math teacher had when she told me to put away my > American Indian book. > > R: > > The issue, Curtis: what is it? I understand it--or think I understand > > it--in a deep enough way to take the liberty of testing where the grace > > might be in this matter. > > M: You answered my question and I appreciate it Robin. I understand how you > are communicating here better. I don't find anything egregious in how you > expressed yourself. But like with Buck, where his irony melts into his > actual POV, I find you hard to follow sometimes. I have another analysis of > your method you used on LG that might be fun to discuss if you are up for it. > > Oh, and what's up with this reference to "grace". How are you defining it, > what is the agent of it and how do we know when we have detected it. Do you > mean which POV do we prefer or are you claiming more than that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear FFL, just to set the record straight: I don't even THINK the > > > > > > word imbecile much less express it. Emily recently asked a > > > > > > question about TM and I followed up with a similar question to > > > > > > Steve. Not sure how my asking a question of Steve is saying > > > > > > anything at all about Emily. And it's true that I ONCE called > > > > > > Emily's sense of humor creepy. She is the person who is > > > > > > multiplying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this post of hers it is the indirectly attributing to me > > > > > > something I did not say or even think, that is what I'd call creepy > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Why this sudden animosity towards Emily? Steve and her can be friends > > > > > too, you know. > > > > > > > > And why don't you just leave this be, Ann? I feel *your* animosity > > > > here. There is someone who is being persecuted. Emily is only getting > > > > what she deserves. If I were a woman I would want to be Camille > > > > Claudel. Ravi was referring to Prince Myshkin--where Dostoyevsky's > > > > intent was to create a character "entirely positive...with an > > > > absolutely beautiful nature". I hope this once, the object of your > > > > gratuitous hatred can resist the temptation to take it to you, > > > > Ann--because if she does this once more--and you don't realize how > > > > ignominiously defeated you are, I will have to send you (this time) > > > > into a virtual exile. I am trying to do some good around here, Ann: > > > > please learn to whisper more wisely to these other horses. > > > > > > > > > > BTW how I remember this sequence: lines on stone, lines on sand, > > > > > > lines on water, lines on air. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:45 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" > > > > > > or "reeely stooopid" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Steve:  I was being sincere - you really have been laying down > > > > > > some funny stuff, IMO.  You are never the butt of my joke.  I > > > > > > almost always laugh in the spirit of the moment and never with mean > > > > > > intention - and I'm quite serious about that.  I laugh at the > > > > > > human condition and our attempts to communicate with each other and > > > > > > I do it so that I don't grieve too hard when things are tough.  I > > > > > > should really get a volunteer position as I've already filled out > > > > > > the application - I just have to make the call.  > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't always explain the way I interpret FFL and I probably > > > > > > won't.  I run it through a lot of different filters some days. > > > > > >  Which means that I "misinterpret" at times on purpose for a > > > > > > different effect - easy to do with words on paper. And it is well > > > > > > known now, thanks to Share, that I have a "creepy" sense of humor. > > > > > >  And I am a TM imbecile.  > > > > > > > > > > > > And I wasn't feeling particularly up today, if truth be told, so I > > > > > > really appreciated your posts.  And, I love a good beer.  Had to > > > > > > give it up when I was diagnosed as gluten intolerant, but I'm going > > > > > > to cheat after what Emptybill posted today.  Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > From: seventhray27 <steve.sundur@> > > > > > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:04 PM > > > > > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or > > > > > > >"reeely stooopid" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >whether Emily was being sincere or making fun of me, I really > > > > > > >don't care. If I can be the butt of her joke, so be it. > > > > > > >(and yes, I need to check out the link) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" > > > > > > ><maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> If you ever figure out why Emily is laughing, Steve, you'll be > > > > > > >> where Ted wrote about sex with Sylvia. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Ahh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....ahhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha > > > > > > >> > ah....ahhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha. Steve, I don't know what is > > > > > > >> > up for you, but you are really making me laugh these days. > > > > > > >> > àAhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >________________________________ > > > > > > >> > > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ > > > > > > >> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >> > >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:18 PM > > > > > > >> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" > > > > > > >> > >or "reeely stooopid" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >à> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" > > > > > > >> > ><maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" > > > > > > >> > >> steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> You always read me perfectly, Steve, and I am loving it. > > > > > > >> > >> And you have been more merciful than most here--I don't > > > > > > >> > >> like people criticizing me--but you, you say something nice > > > > > > >> > >> when you do this (put me in a better place). And believe > > > > > > >> > >> me, Steve: this makes all the difference. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I am trying to 'get' your philosophy; I think you are > > > > > > >> > >> trying to teach it to me indirectly--through anecdotes like > > > > > > >> > >> the ones in this post. I think this an efficacious way to > > > > > > >> > >> get your wisdom to go right into me, Steve. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I will let you know (through my deeds) the progress I am > > > > > > making. Don't ever give up on me. I need your help--AND your love. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >àMake a daily journal. àWe'll call it "Robin's Daily > > > > > > >> > >Journal". àMake a list of the things you hope to > > > > > > >> > >accomplish in a given day, and maybe some personality traits > > > > > > >> > >to which you want to pay a little closer attention. àAnd > > > > > > >> > >then at the end of the day, you can write about how you feel > > > > > > >> > >you did. à> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >For example, "Was I tooàaggressiveàapplying my First > > > > > > >> > >Person Ontology test to those I interacted with?" àOr, > > > > > > >> > >"Was my ironyàappropriate, or insincere". àThese might > > > > > > >> > >be some areas to consider. àI really don't know. àI am > > > > > > >> > >just throwing them out for suggestions. à> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >We're here for you Robin. We can get through this. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> We are good now, I think, > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Robin > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
