--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Thanks for giving your POV. To counter your core inaccuracy about me: I > have strongly questioned TM, TMO, etc. In fact, I did just that when I left > campus 10 years ago. Then there were 7 years when I was not in the Dome at > all. In July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis because I > was at a PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to TM only. > During my 5 years with Waking Down I was in satsang with ex govs usually once > a week and we were not talking about SCI. Though most of them reported > continuing TM. All these different behaviors were accompanied by my > questioning and being open to other systems.
For me Share, here is my question. It is not so much that you seem so ensconced in TM and "Program", the Domes and Fairfield Iowa and all that represents to you. No, for me it is more a question of would you ever consider just going it 'alone', without some alternative therapy, practice, New Age, or otherwise, path? You say you left FF, you left campus (scary) didn't go to the Dome (shocking), didn't practice your sidhis for two weeks (outrageous) but apparently from your description you were doing something else instead. From the frying pan into the fire; kind of like some people I know who are never without a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. They'll stick around, even if they're not happy, then abandon ship (current partner) when there is another vessel (potential partner) ready and waiting. They couldn't conceive of just existing as an autonomous, independent human being. I think I would just wonder if you ever ask yourself why you need something all the time, some teaching, some speaker, some new practice. Have you ever gone 'cold turkey' just to see if you could do it for sustained periods of time? Would you go crazy if you stopped meditating for six months? Would you ever conceive of living in San Francisco, for example, working some regular job and reading or hiking or writing in your spare time, leaving all esoteric and spiritual exploration behind? It's not like I'm suggesting you try becoming some low-living, heavy drinking carnivorous cretin. I'm simply wondering if you think you could survive in the real world? Of course, I realize your definition of 'real world' is very different from mine, or is it? Yes, I have an opinion of you; do I think you are a horrible human being? No. Do I think there are worse ways to live your life than you apparently live yours? Yes. Am I missing something here? Probably. Should I tell you what is best for you? No. >  > > So my continuing group TMSP has been a deeply considered choice. In fact, > after PKYC in July 2009, there was an actual moment when I had a choice to > make: either continue with the PKYC program or with the TMSP. I chose the > latter and continue to do so. Whatever the flaws of the research, I believe > that doing TMSP in a group helps create world peace. And I also believe > that this is my dharma in terms of paying off some heavy duty karmic debts > from some of my previous lives. So it has nothing to do with being > important. But everything to do with paying off those debts. > > As for all the > people in the TMO I aim to have compassion. I think some of them are > also paying off some heavy duty karmic debts. Compassion seems like the > best choice, if only for my own good health. > > I also want to say that this choice is not primarily about thoughts or > emotions. It is about actions and choosing the daily actions that > ENERGETICALLY feel right to me for me, even if not always feeling comfy. Of > course I realize that my path is not right for everyone. It might not even > be right for everyone in the Dome. That is for them to determine. Nor is > it normal for most Americans. Nonetheless it feels right and normal for me > and so I will continue to do it until it does not feel so. And I recognize > that I might be totally wrong about all this. I'm willing to take this > chance given all that I've observed in and out of the TMO. > > > As for the mental illness topic, I do think that a lot of souls saw that > during this period of time in human history it would be RELATIVELY easy to > grow and develop to a good extent. So though those souls realized they're > have some challenging karma to deal with, they chose to incarnate at this > time, neutralize the karma no matter how challenging, and have a good shot at > a good level of human development. So lots of people on spiritual paths > with lots of issues. Again, wise compassion seems a good 'tude. And even > more so given that I agree with the idea that as a person or even society > evolves, the deeper stuff gets released. It might not always be a pretty > sight. But in my experience, if a person or group hangs in there, at some > point the deeper stuff get so loosened up, that it's no longer a hindrance to > experiencing what has always been there. Not to put up with abuse. But to > tough it out whether the situation is in a relationship, a > career or a spiritual practice. > > > Turq, I don't think you and I will ever agree about the TMO. That's ok. > The TMO probably doesn't agree with my doing other stuff and not becoming a > gov. That's ok too. I've had my confrontations with TMO leaders in the > past. Some karma to work out and again, I aim to have compassion for all of > us humans. Anyway, it seems I'm working out karma with certain people here > on FFL too (-: > > One aspect I enjoy about FFL is that there are so many different lifestyles > and paths represented here. That reflects a richness of life that I feel > inside and out. And I think several on FFL have seen and appreciate my > ability to laugh at myself and be a good sport. Obviously YMMV and does. > > BTW I agree with your point about the enlightened being the same towards > everyone. I see this quality in some here on FFL and I'm working on it in > myself. Thanks for your help whether intended or not. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:50 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq > > >  > Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing, > I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know > in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they > > involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on > > the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome > > where other life transitions such as births and weddings > > and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person > > was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death > > occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the > > traditional week of silence. > > Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it. > I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per > se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as > the whole group of (from my point of view) highly > dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap, > and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap, > and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them > as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap. > > *Of course* the sign wasn't "official." Duh. It was put > up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a > person who was once associated with the TM movement was > somehow more meaningful because it happened at the > beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi, > and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is > in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was > just another exercise in self-importance, trying to > imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem > more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of "*We* > see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day -- > don't you?" elitism. > > > Yes, I know the world I inhabit. > > No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted > what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board > that was supposed to make you feel more important and > voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it > along without a second thought, as if other people should > believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, > whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM > sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan. > > What I was trying to do was to present another point of > view on the subject, to see how you and other TBs would > react to it. I was trying to suggest that you live in a > very sheltered world in which many if not most of the > people around you tend to believe the same things, and > take them for granted. > > Things like marching across campus or across town like > lemmings twice a day, to bounce on your butts while think- > ing about cotton fiber and believing that this makes your > thoughts 10,000 times more powerful than other peoples' > thoughts. Things like doing this affects the weather and > the crime rate and will bring world peace. Things like > entering a building from the "wrong" direction will fuck > up your whole day. Things like paying indentured slaves > from India to chant or buttbounce for you will change > the world and make it a better place. Things like that. > > To you, unless I am mistaken, all of these things seem > completely NORMAL. This is just How The World Is. > > I'm trying to present a different point of view, one > that is more mainstream. It's that these things are > LOONEY TOONS, bordering on the crazy. > > You believe these things because you've spent decades > being indoctrinated to believe them, without ever giving > them a second thought. I have not. I left the TM world > long before most of this uber-weirdness ever appeared. > So to me it's *always* been weird, and bordering on > the crazy. I'm trying to present that point of view > to see whether you are capable of seeing that it is > *only* a different point of view, and not an "attack" > of some kind. > > I'm *NOT* angry at you or at Maharishi or at any of > the TM True Believers. I'm just *astounded* and *amazed* > that they can believe the things they believe. For me > it's like encountering a group of people who fervently > believe that the Earth is flat, or that the moon is > made of green cheese, and *cannot for the life of them > understand why everyone else doesn't believe this*. > > I push and prod every so often to see how the flat-earthers > and mooncheese-heads react, to see if they've lightened up > enough to step back and see themselves as the rest of the > world sees them, and laugh. So far you never have. >
