--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <snip> > Gurus do not ask for anything. They are givers and take only a > > devotees sins. > > I was with ya up to the last sentence. > > I'm asking because I'm always curious when I run into > someone who believes that a guru can "take a devotee's > sin" or somehow mitigate his karmas. > > What do you think is the *mechanism* by which this is > accomplished? > > As I understand karma, I don't see it as possible. I > certainly believe it's possible that a teacher can > speed up the student's ability to work through and > process his own karma, but to "resolve" it or make > it "go away?" Can't see how that could work. > > So I'm curious, since you seem to believe in your > own last line above, how you envision this happening, > how you think it "works." Thanks in advance. > > Anyone else who has a theory can chime in, too, if > they'd like. > > Unc
OK, here's my chime- what I have experienced is that karma has two elements, the karma of thought and the karma of action, though it is the karma of thought which is most powerful. What I mean is, it is the repetitions of our thoughts which manifest results, either presenting a situation which we may then act upon, or manifesting a reality of which we are then a part of, and may act within. This occurs whether we want it to or not, because it is the law of cause and effect; karma. The awareness we have of our thoughts and thinking process determines the karma that we live. If we perform an action and then anticipate its result, either joyfully or fearfully, that is what will come back to us. We constantly create and recreate our reality. The function of a Guru in this process is twofold. One, the Guru's presence can clear our mind, purify it, so that we are more aware of the future effects we are thinking up for ourselves, and two, the presence of the Guru purifies our mind so that we naturally create more pleasing karma for ourselves vs. living the effects of impure thoughts. An alternative to being at the effect of personal karma is to stop thinking. By this, I mean becoming established in that reality which is beyond thinking. By doing this, we leave it to Brahman to deliver our karma to us. We no longer create it, and instead always effortlessly enjoy good karma. I experience this, though I am not sure of the mechanics of it. It just works- must have something to do with enjoying the immense bliss of the Creator after subsuming ourselves to Him/Her. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
